Serious about performance, why aren't you running square ground?

[B_Turner]

sure wish there's an affordable square chain grinder..

Not enough demand I guess. I think all the Silvey' are way overpriced these days, but there just isn't the competition to keep em honest. I meant come on, 2 grand for a grinder that when all is said and done is still pretty primitive as tools go.

Not to piss anyone off, but I sometimes wish there was enough market to get the Japanese or maybe the Germans into the square grinder market. WIth a little time their engineers could come up with something pretty amazing for 2 grand, I bet. Look at how fast other technologies like digital cameras, memory, displays, etc have developed due to the motivation of competition.

I think Silvey has been resting on it's laurels more than a little. But unfortunatley they still make the best square grinder, it seems.

 

[John Ellison]

Besides Simington, what were the other companies that used to make square grinders? Ziegelmier?

 

[bwalker]

Check the bottom of your shoe for smelly stuff Ben. I think you stepped in it! Mike

Mike, dont you have some poor, unsuspecting sap to rip off?


B_Turner, When I ran the two types of chain it was in 16'' jack pine. I didnt time them or any thing like that, just a seat of the pants type of evaluation. The square could be faster, but not enough to make me go to the trouble of obtaining it, and a expensive grinder to maintain it. To much hassles for what you gain, but I am not racing or cutting for a living 365 days a year.

 

[B_Turner]

Mike, dont you have some poor, unsuspecting sap to rip off?


B_Turner, When I ran the two types of chain it was in 16'' jack pine. I didnt time them or any thing like that, just a seat of the pants type of evaluation. The square could be faster, but not enough to make me go to the trouble of obtaining it, and a expensive grinder to maintain it. To much hassles for what you gain, but I am not racing or cutting for a living 365 days a year.

Agreed the hassle of a(n) (extra) grinder is not for everyone. With jack pine, I would expected a freshly ground square chain to be obviously faster.

The original post was not to jab anyone not running square. It was more trying to understand for those who really are seriously pursuing chainsaw performance, why weren't they going for the extra 20 percent or more they could get through square (when not running semi chisel). This question has been answered.

Also I edited an earlier post of mine that reflected on disparate experiences with the sharpness of Stihl square. Since I am talking about chain fresh off a reel and others are talking about a loop that has been handled alot, this could expain some of the difference that are observed.

And in terms of dog doo, the older post that was cited reported hand file chains faster than out of box Carlton square and Oregon square. So your report of filed round speed vs Stihl out the box square speed is possible for a number of reasons, just not what my experience has been.

If you have not run a square chain that was sharpened (not just out of the box) and are curious about it, I would be happy to send you a loop to try and keep. I would expect it to cut noticeably faster than round filed, no timings needed. Just let me know. Thanks.

 

[rupedoggy]

Back pedalling is a good thing Ben. It gives more wiggle room. You don't want to be totally wrong like that one time. I see you are having luck kicking Klick around but really Ben, consider the source. Mike

 

[bwalker]

OK, Mike. You know where I can find some roached out saws?

Agreed the hassle of a(n) (extra) grinder is not for everyone. With jack pine, I would expected a freshly ground square chain to be obviously faster.

The original post was not to jab anyone not running square. It was more trying to understand for those who really are seriously pursuing chainsaw performance, why weren't they going for the extra 20 percent or more they could get through square (when not running semi chisel). This question has been answered.

Also I edited an earlier post of mine that reflected on disparate experiences with the sharpness of Stihl square. Since I am talking about chain fresh off a reel and others are talking about a loop that has been handled alot, this could expain some of the difference that are observed.

And in terms of dog doo, the older post that was cited reported hand file chains faster than out of box Carlton square and Oregon square. So your report of filed round speed vs Stihl out the box square speed is possible for a number of reasons, just not what my experience has been.

If you have not run a square chain that was sharpened (not just out of the box) and are curious about it, I would be happy to send you a loop to try and keep. I would expect it to cut noticeably faster than round filed, no timings needed. Just let me know. Thanks.

This jack pine is 80-100 years old as it comes form the Boreal forest region and thus is a bit harder than stuff you have seen though it still not as hard as a true hardwood. The chain I comared was a loop of Stihl RS square that was fresh out of the box. I am not sure how much it was handled. It was not filed and I have never ran a filed square chain.
I would love to take you up on your offer of a loop os ground square. I could time it against my half azzed, hand filed Oregon LG in hard maple.

 

[B_Turner]

I would love to take you up on your offer of a loop os ground square. I could time it against my half azzed, hand filed Oregon LG in hard maple.

I hadn't seen this last line and I sent you a PM. Bill