So you can't do BOTH?

[lucky]

Your the keeper, the care taker of the land. What is it with you none native, "I own da property." insensitivity.

Jack, are you native? Do you own anything? When you get right down to it, we're all just about non-native so were does it leave us? Should we just give up all our properties to the indians oh excuse me errrr native americans?

I totally agree that the owners are the care takers of the land and as such we should make an effort to be good stewards. However, one of the great freedoms in america is the right to ownership. You buy it, it's yours to do with it what you wish.

Where's the incentive to work hard inorder to pay property tax and mortgages if in the end some pc self rightous group is allowed to choose for you? May as well give up if cause you don't own it anyway.

I'm all for planting trees on my own place. I feel there aren't enough. However if I were like Husky 372 and thought I had too many trees I'd probably cut a few down.

I'm not a climber so I've no idea what I'm doing here. John

 

[Husky372]

jkruger what are you talking about. becuase i disagree that gives me a rage i think not. i think that if someone wants to tell someone else how to conduct there business becuase they dont happen to like it is bull. and if you think thats rage you never met me becuase when i have rage i can be alot worse. LIVE FREE OR DIE and if you dont like that maybe you better go smoke one yourself let the trees fall were they may. jmo

 

[Newfie]

Well, then let's pose this question?

Where in the NATURAL order of things does the arborist fit in? Pruning, trimming, crown reduction, cabling, bracing, airspading, trenching, and all of the zillions of things discussed here don't seem very natural to me. They seem like man made remedies and solutions to impose man's will on nature,again.

Not saying I believe these things are wrong to do, but don't understand where some get off doing all of these unatural things and then condemn those that actually do another unnatural thing like premature removal.

What's wrong with a viewpoint of moderation?


But what do I know, I'm just a tree-murderer.

 

[Husky372]

thanks lucky you said it better than me. i just get sick of the self righteous bull that is typed on these screens somtimes.
jkruger you know about native americans they are not indigenous to this continent either. they came across the land bridge. they also used to have wars so that they could get better hunting grounds. well america did the same thing we won they lost. do you think when one tribe beat another tribe they gave some sort of restitution dont think so. just more rage i quess just for the record i never told anyone how to do there business or downgraded arboriste. but i also dont feel that an arboriste has any rite to tell a property owner they cant do something like i said in my first post advice yes tell no

 

[OutOnaLimb]

Right on Newfie!!!! That was very well said.

:Monkey: Kenn

 

[Husky372]

i'll second that. me i'm not as articulated. to much rage i quess

 

[jkrueger]

Gee, that old land bridge white history stuff, hahahh. No, ... and I'm not interested in arguing about arwareness of responsibility.

Next,
Jack

 

[OutOnaLimb]

Originally posted by wiley_p
I would'nt go so far as to say that Mother nature is more destructive than what we do, its just the randomness of it interferes with things that people put value on. Beetles reaching high numbers is just natures way of dealing with an even age stand, either stuff will blowdown or a fire will take care of it continuing the circle.

So you are saying that the Hayman,Yellowstone, and Million fires, as well as Hurricane Andrew, Lilli, and Isabel, and all the ice storms out there did less damage that some yahoo with a chainsaw?

Kenn:Monkey:

 

[Guy Meilleur]

Originally posted by Newfie
Pruning, trimming, crown reduction, cabling, bracing, airspading, trenching, and all of the zillions of things discussed here don't seem very natural to me.

They do to me, because like Newfie said, "no matter how sophistcated we get as a society we are still part of nature. allways have been allways will be no matter how much we try to distance ourselfs."

Anyway Husky I agree with a lot of what you're saying, but when you add an e to arborist, it sounds like you're saying we're effete snobs. And we aren't that different, even those of us whose advice to underinformed arborphobic tree owners sounds like dictating.

The more we learn about the benefits and resilience of trees, the more we can advocate for them. But if all you want or in NH need to do is log, that's fine by me. If you don't call me an arboriste, I won't call you a treecudder--deal? Go ahead and Live Free, I don't want to see you Die.

 

[wiley_p]

Outonalimb, no I'm saying it only is recorded as "damage" because we attach value to the forest, either as a resource to be sold, recreated in, lived in things like that Millions of acres go up in North America each season that isnt glitzed in the media, cause its not burning some resort area, some affluent community built in a fire ecosystem, or has no present value as a harvestable resource. Fire is needed in many of our ecosystems in the West. Population growth has made fire a problem, be it thru aggressive suppression for the last 6 decades, poor harvesting practices that were the work of such beauties as GP, Weyerhauser, Plum Creek, etc or the continued development of remaining rural areas for the continued demand for housing. And no one guy with a chainsaw was never the problem.

 

[NeTree]

As long as I'm helping the homeowner make informed choices, then their decision to remove a perfectly good tree is their concern.

Gimme a break. People around here don't spend upwards of $350K for a house to have anyone telling them what to do. The government already does too much of that.

 

[rahtreelimbs]

I wish I would hit the Powerball then this whole thread would be moot!

 

[Husky372]

guy my appoligies for the e in arborist thats just my poor education showing. if i did'nt have a dictionary sitting here i would definitly be spelling alot more wrong. buy the way the quote on being part of nature that was me not newfie.

 

[Tom Dunlap]

David,

I want you to go back in this thread and find where I told anyone how to manage their property. What I say is that "I" think that they're wrong and won't have anything to do with cutting down perfectly good trees. If they do, it is their business. You're right, that is a pretty important part of America. The freedom to do selfish and stupid things just because you have the money. Can I sit in judgement of those decisions, yup, another freedom.

Too many trees get removed for no good reason. There are good reasons though. I assume that you're a logger. I would bet that you get contracts to clear woods for housing developments. Am I attacking you for doing your work? NO, but it seems like that's what you're feeling. I quit doing lot clearing because I felt like a mercenary. The contractor that I was working for made really stupid decisions about which trees to save or remove. He wouldn't listen to any good advice even if I didn't charge him. I could have saved him money by not cutting down so many trees and leaving a healthier, wooded lot that would raised the value of the house.

Let's put down the wide brushes. We're getting sloppy and messy.

Oh, and by the way, I am a treehugger but can't stand PETA's stridency. Not a vegetarian either. I try to make as light an impact on the Earth as possible by making do with as little as possible.

Tom

 

[MasterBlaster]

I do both.

 

[Husky372]

but tom you are trying to tell people how and what they should cut if you wont cut somthing just becuase you dont like there reason for cutting it.
i seemed to have offened all you arborist (note no e guy) i sure dont meen to. but you sure cant go around and say hey your wrong for doing somthing just becuase you dont like there reason for doing it, and like i have said advise but if they dont heed your advice does'nt make them wrong. i must agree about contractors most are idiots. like the one that built our house faced it the wrong way front is in the back, back faces front but neither faces the direction the property runs

 

[rbtree]

As an arborist, I do feel that is my place to inform the customer of reasons why a tree should stay. I find that, more often than not, they do listen. I've saved a lot of trees for sure..but still cut down a lot of good trees.

But there are situations where I have learned to back off a bit, or be sensitive to their feelings. One instance that stands out was a very good client with a healthy hemlock, thinned twice by me. After a few windstorms made the family, mainly the missus, apprehensive, when asked to remove it, I complied with little argument, but grudgingly inside. As well, last year, I had to remove a perfectly healthy deodara that I'd thinned several years ago. Both my client and the neighbor were elderly and had tired of the roof upkeep. I did my best to convince them otherwise, but in the end, removed it, cause they would have hired someone else. Made them plant another tree though!

 

[new treeman]

trees scare people

 

[MasterBlaster]

I HATE having to remove a tree that I'd already trimmed before.

 

[Proarbor]

Originally posted by MasterBlaster
I HATE having to remove a tree that I'd already trimmed before.

Dont it BITE !!!!! Especialy when it's for no reason but the cost of maintinence.