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The greenies have entirely too much say in things. Most of the time they are wrong.

There was a report that came out recently that compared the climate predictions of the last 20 years against the results from millions of weather baloons that were sent up in the same time period. Every model that has been predicted so far has been wrong.

Ah well at least in 4 days time we will destroy our economy with a Carbon Tax. You'll need to keep chopping those trees to keep our slums warm.

Graham
 
The greenies have entirely too much say in things. Most of the time they are wrong.

There was a report that came out recently that compared the climate predictions of the last 20 years against the results from millions of weather baloons that were sent up in the same time period. Every model that has been predicted so far has been wrong.

Ah well at least in 4 days time we will destroy our economy with a Carbon Tax. You'll need to keep chopping those trees to keep our slums warm.

Graham

You're right there Graham. We only have to look back the late 80's and early 90's with "The Greenhouse Effect". We should be 5 metres underwater by now and having to live in caves. Their temperature predictions were way out.
 
I love the whole "Global Warming" farce. For ten years we had it rammed down our throats, and then data showed that the planet cooled down...........now we have "climate change".

We need to do our bit for the Carbon Tax. Fire up those 2 stroke fossil fuel burning chainsaws, and chop down every tree in sight. If we eliminate carbon dioxide we are screwed, since trees live on CO2.

Graham
 
You're right there Graham. We only have to look back the late 80's and early 90's with "The Greenhouse Effect". We should be 5 metres underwater by now and having to live in caves. Their temperature predictions were way out.

yep Matt and it was never going to rain again:dizzy:
 
Very true what you guys are saying but you cannot deny that the Kola's population is decreasing from habitat reduction ???
No denial !!!
I agree totally with you on the global warming issue and this B###### carbon tax issue.
Are we really going to make a difference WORLD WIDE ?
I live in Darwin NT and we are soooo much relied on transport to get our goods here. Man are things going to go up here when this place is already DEAR enough.
Funninly enough our power stations are GAS FIRED , not COAL FIRED like Victoria yet I bet we will still be hit as hard.
F#ck, between Big Ears Abbot and the lying #####, What choice does the average Aussie HAVE
 
Very true what you guys are saying but you cannot deny that the Kola's population is decreasing from habitat reduction ???
No denial !!!

not in Vic and Tas if you look at forrest and park maps of vic and tas over the last 10 years the area of natral habitat has increest
by a fair bit, and also if you look at vegitation maps it show's the same thing, I bet most other states are the same!

there may be some areas that the kola is a bit thin on but over all in Australia the Kola is not likley to die out anytime soon!
 
not in Vic and Tas if you look at forrest and park maps of vic and tas over the last 10 years the area of natral habitat has increest
by a fair bit, and also if you look at vegitation maps it show's the same thing, I bet most other states are the same!

there may be some areas that the kola is a bit thin on but over all in Australia the Kola is not likley to die out anytime soon!
I am origionally from Tassie and the logging syndrome ??? and I dont ever remember Kolas in Tassie???
As far as areas have increased ???, by how, as the popupation keeps advancing into forrest areas etc ???
If it probably was not for the Greens ( though at times I hate to say it ) there would be total devestation of our non restainable forrests due to logging pressures.
Mate, I work in exploration, offshore , have worked in open cut mines and have seen what they can do to the enviroment!!!.
I am all for feeding a family and keeping an region open BUT I sitll believe in leaving SOMETHING for the NEXT generation and NOT raping an area AS I have seen in MY past.
Bty I have 14 chainsaws up here, 4 not working but I still love my saws even though I HARDLY use them so I am not toally GREEN for the critics.
Just conscience minded
 
in vic 90% of Kolas live on the coast and there has not been any loging down here since i have been here and thats 35 years
 
Koala numbers in Qld are dropping rapidly, and I think it comes down to habitat encroachment, ie. houses and domestic dogs, etc.

Gunnedah in NSW is 100km away from me and has a big koala population but can't recall ATM whether numbers are stable or not.

A huge worry is the Tassie Devil's facial tumour and rapidly dropping numbers.
Hopefully the breeding program that's been undertaken up on Barrington near here really comes off, it's looking very promising so far.
Unfortunately things like this fly under the radar, and when you lose either predator or prey out of an eco system it has reverberations right through the chain.
Eventually something moves in and balance is restored, but it may not be the balance that we want.

I really do believe that humans are increasing the rate of change of things, there's seven billion of us now, there were under one billion in 1800 and every one of us consumes far, far more of our natural resources than any one individual did two hundred years ago.

To give it some perspective, imagine what everything looked like in our own country before white fella got here, and then extrapolate that to across the globe. Think of the deforestation that's occurred worldwide in the last two hundred years, which is less than a blip in time in a geological sense.
Sheer numbers suggest we must be making an impact, and to me it's a little scary what we are collectively doing as a species, we continue to consume finite resources as if they are infinite.

I also agree that the world is a little more complex than any computer modelling can predict, but from my perspective from living and working on the land, and now supplying services and goods to people working the land I'd like to see a little more thought from our political leaders and city dwellers on how fragile our environment, and in particular water resources are in this country.
At the moment the extraction industries almost have carte blanche over where and how they do their thing, and with an ever increasing world population food security will become a huge issue globally in a very short time.
Mining exports don't earn near as much as people are led to believe, our Ag sector still earns massive export $ and will continue to do so, as long as we have decent river and artesian water to do it with.

Do I sound like a greenie ?
Possibly, but Farmers and Greenies are finding they have a lot more in common than they ever realised, and are working and supporting each other around around here in the battle against govt and the extraction sector.

BTW, there was a very good article in yesterdays Sydney Morning Herald (and I assume The Age) by Ross Gittens, the papers economics editor on the why's, workings and idea behind a non revenue raising tax (in relative terms) like the Carbon Tax.
If you can scrounge a copy from somewhere, it's well worth the read. Unfortunately I can't find it online.

Personally I think it's a dumb move, but it's no where near the bogey man the Mad Monk has made it out, either.

A better idea might have been along these lines if Govt wanted to encourage change in the big polluters.

Once upon a time Australia encouraged industry to invest in new technologies with a 150% tax write off for R&D.

As an example, at the time, BHP employed 600 people, purely in R&D, spending billions of $ on research.

Guess how many BHP employ in pure research these days ?
A big, fat 0.

A PhD mate of mine worked for them and ran a lot of their research stuff during those days and this was his suggestion during one of our 'fix the world and get rid of the poliies' conversations, and IMO it has huge merit.
(he runs cattle on 1500 acres and owns the local newsagency now)

John Howard and Sneaky Pete Costello dumped that incentive, just as they squandered even bigger potential surpluses and infrastructure investments on middle class welfare just to buy votes, and the current lot are too dumb to re-implement it.

And we wonder why our good tech like solar panel technology has all gone offshore to China or the US ?

A carrot works better than a stick, ask anyone that works with animals :D
 
not gonna disagree or agree with you guys on this but one of the major reasons the koala population is in decline is chlamydia,

so what are the hippies and gov orgs doing to fix this .....................................ef...all,maybe they need to educate the bears about STDs
 
not gonna disagree or agree with you guys on this but one of the major reasons the koala population is in decline is chlamydia,

so what are the hippies and gov orgs doing to fix this .....................................ef...all,maybe they need to educate the bears about stds

yeah and stop them sleeping with hippies
 
All done.:smile2:

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A huge worry is the Tassie Devil's facial tumour and rapidly dropping numbers.
Hopefully the breeding program that's been undertaken up on Barrington near here really comes off, it's looking very promising so far.
Unfortunately things like this fly under the radar, and when you lose either predator or prey out of an eco system it has reverberations right through the chain.
Eventually something moves in and balance is restored, but it may not be the balance that we want.

I really do believe that humans are increasing the rate of change of things, there's seven billion of us now, there were under one billion in 1800 and every one of us consumes far, far more of our natural resources than any one individual did two hundred years ago.

There have been a few good stories coming out of Tassie Rick with the Tassie Devil. Not sure if you've heard but they have actually found a few younger devils from highly infected areas that have shown to be immune/resistant to the tumours. They are now looking at doing more investigations at a genetic level.
As a race we also have to remember that some animal, bird, reptile etc species are destined for extinction regardless of human interference. A lot of species have become extinct in the past prior to humans even inhabiting the earth. As cute as Koalas are they are of little ecological importance in the grand scheme of things.
I agree with you on the explosive population growth mate and it certainly would seem impossible for the human race to have not had an impact on the climate. Sadly though the environmental "industry" has turned into big business now and they are pulling the good old BS scare tactics crap on a daily basis, quite often NOT because they care about the environment but because they want funding or more sales. Carbon friendly is the new organic tag making people assume all is dandy. The greenie element has certainly shown they are experts at exaggeration over the years and the general population is getting to "the boy who cried wolf" stage. Like you I'm certainly no environmental vandal and do care but I'm also very sceptical about where the so called "educated" information is coming from on both sides. There are a lot of agendas going on from the environmental lobby.
Oh and as far as farming and food production goes as a whole our biggest issue is simply commodity pricing. We cannot compete with countries that pay peanuts for labour and our government is more interested in supporting other countries' food production than supporting their own. Many of our government employed researchers/experts have spent more time in the last 20 years showing our overseas opposition how to grow their food more efficiently than they have our own farmers. Send our expertise overseas so our competitor's learn how to grow food the same as us with 1/10 the labour costs.

Anyway Andrew back to chopping every tree down you lay your eyes on :D
 
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Many of our government employed researchers/experts have spent more time in the last 20 years showing our overseas opposition how to grow their food more efficiently than they have our own farmers. Send our expertise overseas so our competitor's learn how to grow food the same as us with 1/10 the labour costs.

Anyway Andrew back to chopping every tree down you lay your eyes on :D

Yep, I agree Matt.

The BIl/SIL grow macadamias and can't get a decent price as South Africa continue to dump on the world market, after Australian Ag dept experts showed them everything on how to produce the bloody nuts.

The only thing that keeps their heads above water is their citrus (limes) and they share farm with an organic vegie grower.

Oh, and the BIL is Seth Efrican too, and he's incensed by the stupidity of it (and he's a good bloke to boot)

Concerning water, there's a huge movement here of farmers and greenies banding together and campaigning against the coal seam gas dudes, purely so we can continue to access decent artesian water.

Sorry Andrew, we've gone a little off track.

Nice hall of wood there mate :cheers:
 

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