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hahahah, 186 with tripple SU's and a chrome tappit cover. that will f#ck em...........
you made my day, work time now, catch ya's tonight...

Yeah I bloody knew you were too limp wristed to run a small block Neil although the chrome tappet covers are reported to add an extra 20HP. Good luck tuning those triple SU's, I've always been a fan of the DCOE Webers instead :)
 
Stick a decent carb on it like a 750 double pumper Holley ............... like Holley once said it aint runnin' rich till theres fuel pouring out the exhaust.

You outta the fart sack yet young grasshopper ?
 
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Ms441c

Hi Everybody,

Wanting to get an MS441CM, but not wanting to get it for the down under price of $1749.00

Who should I talk to in the US to get something here for a better price?

Regards
Graham
 
Yeah I bloody knew you were too limp wristed to run a small block Neil although the chrome tappet covers are reported to add an extra 20HP. Good luck tuning those triple SU's, I've always been a fan of the DCOE Webers instead :)

Yes DCOE's were the pick but you had better have a decent head and the right solid cam to put them to their full potential.

The SU's were easy to tune with the vacuum gauge but was an on going thing which was fine with me as a youngin. Fine tuning with needles and springs were the ticket to match the setup. I used to go to a Volvo dealership to get my needles and springs for my EH much to the amusement of the sales staff!
 
Stick a decent carb on it like a 750 double pumper Holley ............... like Holley once said it aint runnin' rich till theres fuel pouring out the exhaust.

You outta the fart sack yet young grasshopper ?

350/500 twin barrel Holleys were used but not that successful due to the uneven intake runner lengths of the manifolds and bore size (velocity). Triples had better bore/venturi sizing per cyl/2 and even runner length across the cyls. Tuned lengths were much more achievable.

Pumpers were more of a race carb than a street carb due to excessive fuel consumption. A well setup and sorted square bore was all that was needed (V8) especially running a spacer to reduce fuel pooling.
 
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Yes DCOE's were the pick but you had better have a decent head and the right solid cam to put them to their full potential.

The SU's were easy to tune with the vacuum gauge but was an on going thing which was fine with me as a youngin. Fine tuning with needles and springs were the ticket to match the setup. I used to go to a Volvo dealership to get my needles and springs for my EH much to the amusement of the sales staff!

I had a near race spec Cooper S motor in a Mini Clubman with a 45mmDCOE. I only got 30,000km out of it but she'd pull just over 7,000rpm in 4th which was about 180kph. I could also get a whopping 200km out of a 25L tank. I'd hate to run more than one Weber though but the induction sound through the firewall was the most awesome sound ever. No flies on the SU's though and I would have been running the twin setup if I hadn't got my mitts on a Weber. I picked up two Cooper S short motors from a mate of my dads for a carton of West End Eagle Blue which was about $20 at the time and absolute crap.
The biggest issues with that car were:

Keeping the bastard cool.
Snapping engine mounts.
Police.
Morons in V8 Falcons and Commodores.
I had the motor out about 6 times and the head off 10. I could still do it blindfolded I reckon.

How the hell I never killed myself I'll never know...
 
Speed Sharp

This is my speed sharp grinder, or the back of it any way, the chome swich is so the wheel will spin forward or in reverse,
this is to get the bur edge always on the outside of the cutter,
my local auto lec did it for me,
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350/500 twin barrel Holleys were used but not that successful due to the uneven intake runner lengths of the manifolds and bore size (velocity). Triples had better bore/venturi sizing per cyl/2 and even runner length across the cyls. Tuned lengths were much more achievable.

Pumpers were more of a race carb than a street carb due to excessive fuel consumption. A well setup and sorted square bore was all that was needed (V8) especially running a spacer to reduce fuel pooling.

Holleys were what all the cool kids had on their 186's, 202's, 253's, and 308's.
They sounded good and used heaps of fuel (so therefore must have had good HP!).
Just so happens none of the hillbillys running them knew stuff all about engine mods. A cam, extractors and a Holley was a race motor if you asked them :)

I remember one of the heroes at school had a little LJ Torana with a 186 in it. He was bragging to a group of young wankers how he'd seen 110mph on the speedo and how when you times it by 2.2 he must have been doing about 240kph. His mates stood there with their mouths wide open in complete awe of such speed.
I never had the heart to tell the d#ckhead that 2.2 is the kilogram to pounds conversion, not mph to kph. I also never had the heart to tell him my mini had a higher top end...
 
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This is my speed sharp grinder, or the back of it any way, the chome swich is so the wheel will spin forward or in reverse,
this is to get the bur edge always on the outside of the cutter,
my local auto lec did it for me,
View attachment 240034

Good work. Now wait for it to spin the nut off inside and fly apart :)
Been there, had it happen :(
Also that burr doesn't make much difference although the finished result does look nicer off the grinder. I had a MAXX grinder with the old outside in grinding function but quickly realised it was a bit of hype sadly - oh and a POS...
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In my twenties I bought a Mini for $75 that only ran on 3 cyl's. Head gasket fixed that and she was a beauty. The engine mount on the firewall side was wearing out and the carb started to hit the firewall. I had to keep tapping the firewall in for the carb to clear. I had to elongate the hole for the gear lever to clear! :msp_w00t: I lived in Melbourne and had to pass through a huge speed drain when off to work. It would absolutely piss down and this drain would not only fill well but flow well! Cars would be on either side on the side of the road with wet electricals and I come boring along and that hit that drain with speed. The beauty of the Mini is it would float across and a little to the side. :msp_rolleyes: Water would pour in through the hole for the gear lever but hey, it made it much to the amazment of the audience either side! :rock:
 
Dollar still going down - 96c :msp_unsure: Gotta few more bits and pieces to purchase from Amazon. Better get onto it.

Yeah I almost got caught the other day when it dropped from 1.02 to 0.974 in a few days :msp_ohmy:

It will go up again though at some stage
 
I think I have a 45 DCOE here setup and jetted for a BMC A Series engine.
It came with a job lot of Weber bits. (a mate, has one of those limp wristed MGB's, it's his mid life crisis car. I should get him to get a manifold and screw the old Weber on it to make it go and give him a bit of a thrill :laugh:)

The beauty of a Weber is that everything is changeable and adjustable.
Choke tubes, venturi's, air corrections, etc, etc, are all swappable so you needed to be a guru to set one up from scratch, whereas any noddy could screw a jet in and out of a Holley.....

I love Weber's, and as Matt said, the induction roar is something else.

Talking CD carbies, my old old kart engine builder rallyed six cylinder Holdens, (he ran the Commodore Rally Team for Holden back in the eighties. Wayne Bell was the driver) and his old XU-1 had 1.75" CD Strombergs instead of SU's or Webers.

a) as it only had a 9 port head
b) He actually had better low down torque as a consequence
c) It still made 220HP with the 1.75's

The Commodore ended up with an all alloy Donovan Sprint Car Chev :dizzy:
It was christened 'The Trench Digger' on the dirt with Belly driving it.

The historic XU-1 I tested and then raced a few times for a mate back in '95 had triple 45 DCOE's. (and an illegal 12 port black head)
The really quick Historic/Appendix J XU-1's running roller cams were punching out over 280HP back in the mid nineties, all with iron heads. (can't remember if they used 45's or 48's ?)
Pretty impressive for the little old 202, but the cams were pretty radical and really stressed things. A lot.


[edit] I never had a quick/interesting road car, only old clunkers :(
I spent all my money on going fast on the track instead :)
 
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In my twenties I bought a Mini for $75 that only ran on 3 cyl's. Head gasket fixed that and she was a beauty. The engine mount on the firewall side was wearing out and the carb started to hit the firewall. I had to keep tapping the firewall in for the carb to clear. I had to elongate the hole for the gear lever to clear! :msp_w00t: I lived in Melbourne and had to pass through a huge speed drain when off to work. It would absolutely piss down and this drain would not only fill well but flow well! Cars would be on either side on the side of the road with wet electricals and I come boring along and that hit that drain with speed. The beauty of the Mini is it would float across and a little to the side. :msp_rolleyes: Water would pour in through the hole for the gear lever but hey, it made it much to the amazment of the audience either side! :rock:

Why o why did we buy that pommy crap i owned a couple too definately dry weather cars
 

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