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The cm, by miles.
Internally they are the same saw, and I can't see why a computer management system would give such a huge advantage of a manual adjustable???
Im wondering if its all in the port work?

Yeah apparently the CM ports really well, Andrew is rather happy with his. The poor non CM was never overly impressive since its inception.
 
No, nice english lad from Melbourne

If you want to see a quick 441C then you need to check out the one that Stihlman441 had built by mweba (a US member here). The M-Tronic engine management certainly has a lot left in the tank.
In my experience M-Tronic turned an overweight turd of a saw (stock 441) into an absolute weapon. I still don't like the feel and balance of the 441's but without a doubt the M-Tronic has turned them into a good saw. Just like M-Tronic has done across all models Stihl has stuck it in.
On a side note there are a number of really top level builders on AS that don't advertise. They're sponsors but don't widely advertise that they actually build saws.
 
I hear ya matt- you mean like Husqvarna/Stihl/Dolmar? yeah they seem to keep a low profile round here WTF? no tess stubby coolers or even stickers for that matter! meh builders of saws my ass fock em! haha.....;)

Well one way to look at it is simply, some guys develop saws to different levels for money, ie to pay their bills, hence the constant advertising to show their talents. Then I guess there is the slightly different guy who wishes he had the skills the better guys have and wants some of the limelight or exposure on these forums, so he spends more time perfecting those colourful T shirts, caps and stubby holders and so on and of coarse ''everybody wants to be seen wearing these'' :yes:.

We do have another line up of our own quiet chaps who do work for the domestic racing community, there only advertisement is the saws themselves and do it for a different set of reasons.
You don't ever hear these guys bull sh*tting on forums playing that ''big di*k game of my saw is much better than yours'' when a saw they developed has a win in good company they simply grin a little and move on.
Not sure if anyone here has noticed or not but these guys don't usually do work on saws for anyone outside the racing community (reasons for this), they may help in other ways but not saw development.

Nice sunny day here in NSW north coast and the above is just my opinion on the subject, like Sargent Shultz said ''I know nothing''..
 
Well one way to look at it is simply, some guys develop saws to different levels for money, ie to pay their bills, hence the constant advertising to show their talents. Then I guess there is the slightly different guy who wishes he had the skills the better guys have and wants some of the limelight or exposure on these forums, so he spends more time perfecting those colourful T shirts, caps and stubby holders and so on and of coarse ''everybody wants to be seen wearing these'' :yes:.

We do have another line up of our own quiet chaps who do work for the domestic racing community, there only advertisement is the saws themselves and do it for a different set of reasons.
You don't ever hear these guys bull sh*tting on forums playing that ''big di*k game of my saw is much better than yours'' when a saw they developed has a win in good company they simply grin a little and move on.
Not sure if anyone here has noticed or not but these guys don't usually do work on saws for anyone outside the racing community (reasons for this), they may help in other ways but not saw development.

Nice sunny day here in NSW north coast and the above is just my opinion on the subject, like Sargent Shultz said ''I know nothing''..
Very well put mate!!, couldn't agree more.
It's very satisfying, building a saw & grabbing a win amongst great company!
A fresh start on the tablelands, but heading for 22*c and the shed ;)
 
That's all cool Neil and I respect that. But isn't that like comparing the V8 super car engine builder to a good bloke down the road that builds them for the weekend club car. Of course one bloke wants to be secret squirrel and win races. That's what keeps them ahead of the pack. Where the other caters for the masses.
It's true what you say but it's unrealistic to put them in the same bed. IMHO. [emoji4]
 
Well one way to look at it is simply, some guys develop saws to different levels for money, ie to pay their bills, hence the constant advertising to show their talents. Then I guess there is the slightly different guy who wishes he had the skills the better guys have and wants some of the limelight or exposure on these forums, so he spends more time perfecting those colourful T shirts, caps and stubby holders and so on and of coarse ''everybody wants to be seen wearing these'' :yes:.

We do have another line up of our own quiet chaps who do work for the domestic racing community, there only advertisement is the saws themselves and do it for a different set of reasons.
You don't ever hear these guys bull sh*tting on forums playing that ''big di*k game of my saw is much better than yours'' when a saw they developed has a win in good company they simply grin a little and move on.
Not sure if anyone here has noticed or not but these guys don't usually do work on saws for anyone outside the racing community (reasons for this), they may help in other ways but not saw development.

Nice sunny day here in NSW north coast and the above is just my opinion on the subject, like Sargent Shultz said ''I know nothing''..

I was only being a **** saying the big 3 saw manufacturers don't say much on AS....I say good on the guys that port saws and do it as a business on AS top notch stand up guys they seem to me ,they don't seem to last long If there work is not up to par even on AS.. Strong work saw seems to be the norm here The racing world is a different kettle of fish is obvious why they would keep their cards close to there chest...
I don't know much of anything a stock saw can put a smile on my face :D tis good to be alive living life not that I'm learning from my mistakes bugger haha...
 
Has anyone here had experience with both standard and CM 441's?
I just got my standard back from modification, took them out, same bar, same chain, but VERY different results.
Just wondering if in standard form there is a big margin between the two as a normal?

Thanks
Who did your mods? Looking to get my 441 std done
 
Well one way to look at it is simply, some guys develop saws to different levels for money, ie to pay their bills, hence the constant advertising to show their talents. Then I guess there is the slightly different guy who wishes he had the skills the better guys have and wants some of the limelight or exposure on these forums, so he spends more time perfecting those colourful T shirts, caps and stubby holders and so on and of coarse ''everybody wants to be seen wearing these'' :yes:.

We do have another line up of our own quiet chaps who do work for the domestic racing community, there only advertisement is the saws themselves and do it for a different set of reasons.
You don't ever hear these guys bull sh*tting on forums playing that ''big di*k game of my saw is much better than yours'' when a saw they developed has a win in good company they simply grin a little and move on.
Not sure if anyone here has noticed or not but these guys don't usually do work on saws for anyone outside the racing community (reasons for this), they may help in other ways but not saw development.

Nice sunny day here in NSW north coast and the above is just my opinion on the subject, like Sargent Shultz said ''I know nothing''..
Don't have to have 37 build threads on AS to make a work saw cut a hell of a lot faster than standard.
I don't have lofty aims or need to build a race saw, but after creating a couple of dogs, I'm happy making my own saws go the way they do.
I've paid for a couple of saws ported from the states, but I can't see that I'd do it again. There isn't anything cutting edge about what you pay for.

Having said that - if it wasn't for the guys with 37 build threads I wouldn't have known where to start, and without buying a couple of saws I wouldn't have had a baseline to work towards.
 

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