the all aussie dribble thread!

[Terry Syd]

I was brought up as a 'meat hunter', so the rule was to keep velocities below 2,400fps to prevent lots of hemoraged meat filled with blood. I've seen lots of high velocity hits where the shock wave has turned good meat to mush, sometimes well away from where the bullet hit. All it is good for is yabbie bait, but it does make great yabbie bait.

 

[MCW]

Matt, once you are bitten by the big bore bug you will knocking those rabbits with one ounce projectiles!
I use hard cast, wide metplat 400 to 500 grain slugs from a custom mould in my 45/70 at around 1800 to 1900 fps for hunting. They do not expand much but penetration and accuracy is excellent.

For smaller game I will use soft cast and cast hollow point slugs at around 1250 fps out of my 45/70 Sharps. Man, they expand and are great killers on ferals.

But when the chips are down and I am hunting big sambar I use good old Woodleighs.
These two slugs were pulled fom stags. Usually they exit but these did not for some reason. The smaller one is the 160gn 7mm Woodleigh at 3300 fps out of my 270 Weatherby mag. The second is the 250 gn flat nose Woodleigh out of my .338 WM at around 2800 fps. Good expansion and great penetration. I have never recovered a slug with my 375 H&H. The 300 gn flat nose Woodleighs must expand OK because they leave a nice big hole on the way out.

Al.

Don't get me started Al. My firearm version of CAD finished years ago. I love those old big bores though I'll get one someday for sure...
I rarely find anything when I've hit it except glistening jacket and lead fragments. I found this laying next to a big roo I nailed the other day at a lasered 385m. It was all I could find from a .257" 100gn Ballistic Tip. This is exactly how I found it...

 

[deye223]

Yeah that's right Terry. There was an old saying from a well known gun writer..

"Dead is dead and you can't accomplish anything beyond that".

I know a local hero that shoots roos with a .300 Winchester Magnum. It doesn't actually drop them that well as 98% of it's energy hits the paddock behind it but he thinks it must be doing a good job because it kicks like a beatch and costs him $2 a shot. Well actually about $2.50 if you factor in barrel wear.

we got heaps of clowns like that here i wonder how long befor they kill a cow ar worse some one a kay away makes me wonder what gos through there minds just about every progy i use dose not exit farms have a lot of stock over here the last thing you want is projectiles buzing around stock

 

[MCW]

I was brought up as a 'meat hunter', so the rule was to keep velocities below 2,400fps to prevent lots of hemoraged meat filled with blood. I've seen lots of high velocity hits where the shock wave has turned good meat to mush, sometimes well away from where the bullet hit. All it is good for is yabbie bait, but it does make great yabbie bait.

It certainly can get messy mate. I've seen head shot rabbits with rounds like my .22/250 40° Ackley bruised right down through the shoulders. Although I've eaten a lot of things that I've shot for the most part I've been simply culling pest species so tissue damage not an issue for me. Pretty hard to eat a mangey fox too

 

[Terry Syd]

Funny thing, I used a fox leg in a yabbie trap one time - and even the yabbies left it alone!

 

[Nardoo]

Randy, those lttle #3 Rugers are wonderful guns but the steel butt plate and the dinky little levers sure make them hard to shoot with heavy loads. You will be left with bleeding knuckles and a bruised shoulder when using full power loads.

Terry I got my son a Marlin 375 Win for hunting pigs. I cast 250 gn RCBS flatnose slugs for it and it kills pigs and goat with authority. I buy cheap 30/30 cases and fire-form them with bran so he can act like the Chuck Connors and empty the magazine on a mob of pigs and not worry about picking up the brass. He has shot a couple of fallow with it no problems at all but we do not use it on the sambar.

And Matt, I agree with you on the .222. I have a beautiful old Remington .222 and the boys have .223's for light work. You cannot tell the difference - except I think my .222 shoots a little better. It loves the 52 gn Nosler shots and will put them into rediculously small groups. I also used a 17 Ackley hornet for 20 years shooting foxes around settled areas. I swapped it for a 17 Remington and still regret it.

I get my kicks out of big calibre stuff these days. Just love the accuracy and the recoil! Even my 54 cal Hawkin shoots good.

Al.

 

[MCW]

we got heaps of clowns like that here i wonder how long befor they kill a cow ar worse some one a kay away makes me wonder what gos through there minds just about every progy i use dose not exit farms have a lot of stock over here the last thing you want is projectiles buzing around stock

Yeah I agree 100% mate. It's like these guys that have a passion for modern military style sniper rifles (not the old SMLE's etc). I'm not necessarily against them (my brother has a .338 Lapua Mod 700) but as a rule the guys that are attracted to them get just a bit TOO excited about touching firearms.

I mean we are limited to bolt actions only in Australia pretty well and I know for a fact that the vast majority of the modern military sniper rifles are hard pressed to outshoot a well setup hunting rifle with handloads. My mate that was in the SAS was a sniper at Lavarack barracks then continued on with counter terrorism sniping for a while in the SAS. Although accurate very few of their Accuracy International rifles with Lapua ammo and Schmidt & Bender scopes would shoot under 1/2" MOA, that alone consistently. I'm sure if they ran fireformed handloads that might change.

The best thing I ever saw was when my mate snaffled a box of 7.62mm non exiting rounds used for counter terrorism in crowds etc. He had a CMC heavy barrel .308 bolt action as a personal rifle and we took them spotlighting one night. They were the most devastating rounds I have ever seen on foxes and roo heads. Nasty but very very impressive

 

[MCW]

And Matt, I agree with you on the .222. I have a beautiful old Remington .222 and the boys have .223's for light work. You cannot tell the difference - except I think my .222 shoots a little better. It loves the 52 gn Nosler shots and will put them into rediculously small groups. I also used a 17 Ackley hornet for 20 years shooting foxes around settled areas. I swapped it for a 17 Remington and still regret it.

Yeah I love my .222 mate. In fact I have about 1000 empties to reload. I've already neck sized them and primed them, just have to pull my finger out. A number of fox shooters around here used to use the old .17 Ackley Hornet. I'm not a .17 Rem fan but they certainly have a place.

I get my kicks out of big calibre stuff these days. Just love the accuracy and the recoil! Even my 54 cal Hawkin shoots good.

Al.

Nice. Good old black powder! I used to shoot black powder handgun and am still picking the grease out of my teeth
I still have a container of FFG in the shed.

 

[Nardoo]

Don't get me started Al. My firearm version of CAD finished years ago. I love those old big bores though I'll get one someday for sure...
I rarely find anything when I've hit it except glistening jacket and lead fragments. I found this laying next to a big roo I nailed the other day at a lasered 385m. It was all I could find from a .257" 100gn Ballistic Tip. This is exactly how I found it...

Ooh, that is nasty! I used to have the high velocity bug too and I still have a soft spot for the .220 swift that I used for years. I tried a 270 WM on sambar and I did not think it was any better than the other small calibres. The big calibres really shine for those fellows.
Yes, I had the firearm CAD too but the guns spend most of their time in the safe these days. Occassionally I will get my Perazzi out and shoot some trap or take my old Beretta out on the quail
but I am content to run my saws for the most part.
All good fun though.

BTW Matt those 3/8" rims are wearing very well.

Al.

 

[Terry Syd]

OK Al, I'll play the 'mine's bigger than your's game' - I had a 3 band 1864 Snider Enfield .577 (58 Cal.). I used a 310 grain round ball in it because the twist was 1 in 36" (it was made before Greenfield's formula on bullet stability) I had it stoked up with a duplex load of 3F over some Green Dot (it was supersonic).

Everybody that shot that rifle loved the smoke. Since it was made in 1864, it would have been one of the converted rifles that the South used in the American Civil War. A piece of history that put a smile on everyone's face that shot it. Unfortunately, it was lousy for hunting as I really needed a good rest to steady that 39" barrel. They were designed for troops firing in formation, not sneaking around in the bush.

 

[MCW]

Ooh, that is nasty! I used to have the high velocity bug too and I still have a soft spot for the .220 swift that I used for years. I tried a 270 WM on sambar and I did not think it was any better than the other small calibres. The big calibres really shine for those fellows.
Yes, I had the firearm CAD too but the guns spend most of their time in the safe these days. Occassionally I will get my Perazzi out and shoot some trap or take my old Beretta out on the quail
but I am content to run my saws for the most part.
All good fun though.

BTW Matt those 3/8" rims are wearing very well.

Al.

My brother has a Ruger 77 Varmint in .220 Swift and although I never owned one it is still my favourite cartridge. I ended up with the .22/250 Ackley so I could keep up!
Perazzi eh? Nice. A mate who ended up going to the world's in the UK for Sporting Clays a number of years ago ended up with a AUD$15,000 Perazzi. Bloody nice gun but he's anal about it. Won't shoot in damp weather, always has it bagged (I'm against bagged shotguns when walking around sporting clay ranges), rubs his nipples whenever he touches it etc etc I just run a relatively plain Remington Peerless Field grade with 30" barrels. It served me well through AA grade. I had a Remington 11/87 auto that I had to hand in with the buyback and a couple of mates handed in 870 pumps. I ended up with all their chokes so had them machined out to all sorts of constrictions. 12 chokes pretty well have the clays covered Since I had my shoulder rebuilt the bloody stock is smacking me in the cheek too much. I spoke to a well known stockmaker to get a custom stock on it and when I mentioned Remington the line went silent for a bit. The bastard wouldn't even think of working on it. If it was a Miroku, Browning, Beretta etc etc he'd have been all over it.
Good to hear the rims are wearing well. I've found the same.

 

[RandyMac]

I have some of Ackley's books, interesting reading. My first rifle was a Rem 722 in .222, shot 1000s of rounds with it. I killed everything on the ranch with it, from vermin to Blacktails to a Blackbear, almost all were one shot. I do like high velocity, the .243 and 6mm Rem work well, I'm thinking of snaring a Savage 99 in .243. On the other hand, giving something a solid whomp with some sectional density is very good. I used a .35 Whelan on a big Mule deer, the 300grRN entered the chest and exited under the tail, it showed very little expansion.

 

[deye223]

yes i am thinking of geting another .222 cz 527 i regret selling that rifle and i still have a couple of spear mags . i have a 223 but it has a #5 barrel and it's in a remington VLS stock and i want a lite .22 cf .

 

[porky616]

nice to see the dribble rolling on, well done chaps! and matt i finally sent that toasted piston back to ya. hope ya all had a brain depleating christmas break:hmm3grin2orange:

 

[Terry Syd]

Randy, is the 99 Savage the same as the Browning BLR or the Maruko? I've got two mates with lever action .243s and they complain that finding spare magazines is nearly impossible.

 

[deye223]

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[RandyMac]

Randy, is the 99 Savage the same as the Browning BLR or the Maruko? I've got two mates with lever action .243s and they complain that finding spare magazines is nearly impossible.

Nah, they have a rotary magazine inside the receiver, although the last of them had detachable mags.

not a great source
Savage Model 99 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Nardoo]

Terry, you trumped me with the Snider - I love it when you can put you finger down the barrel! 120 gns of #F and you can have some real fun.
Randy, those 35 Whelens are very well thought of out here too. Lots of the Browning BAR's were rechambered for it to hunt sambar when autos were still legal. I would love to shoot one of those Mule deer you have over there - are they good to eat?

deye223, those Brno's are beautiful guns. I had a 601 in .243 years ago - great hunting rifle.

Matt, that is funny my brother had his Ruger #1 22/250 rechambered to 40 degrees Ackley improved trying to chase my swift. That was 30 years ago when we were young and keen. I love my Perazzi and shoot AA with it but i think my 62 year old Beretta is prettier. Kevin Slee made the stocks - a little easier to deal with than Kevin Wright (but not as good diagnostically).

Al.

 

[RandyMac]

Aye, Muleys are good eating and a beautiful animal. Some can run pretty big.

http://leventonmuledeermanagement.com/yahoo_site_admin/assets/images/mule-deer1.0204610_std.jpg

 

[Terry Syd]

Randy, your inbox is full. I just forwarded that link to one of my mates.