The Moody 362 C-M

[moody]

Since you are the one doing the weighing, suit yourself, but when you do the Dry PHO weight, I wish you would leave the clutch covers ON. A little mix in the oil tank should flush it out well.

Thanks for going to the trouble!

I will be doing as much as I can to get a good comparison between the two. But we all need to remember that the main focus is on the 362cm. I'd like to give everyone a good idea of what it's like.

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[dl5205]

But we all need to remember that the main focus is on the 362cm.

I totally agree, and was not trying to derail. I'm glad to see you are getting to do the m-tronic, I know you were interested in getting your hands on one.

 

[moody]

I totally agree, and was not trying to derail. I'm glad to see you are getting to do the m-tronic, I know you were interested in getting your hands on one.

I've been interested in doing one since getting a peak at the IPL at a local dealer. I believe that they really improved on this saw. As I've shared there are still some simple things that I still don't like. They're very simple things that shouldn't really hinder the saws performance.

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[jimmycrackcorn]

Is that the same as RSLK, because I could not find just plain RSL. I hope so, because I have a roll but have not tried it yet.

RSK- is the Classic or ''Klassic'' cutter design with a slimmer raker/depth gauge.

RS- Is the newer design (not brand new just newer) with the different raker/depth gauge design, it has a little fat belly that gives lower vibes.

From my experiences I've found that the RSK is a hair faster than RS when talking round ground.

Add the ''L'' to either & you obviously have your square ground, although I can't find RSL, only RSLK when talking full comp.

Also Stihls site shows a couple of the RSK's as having the bigger RS raker in there pics but it is wrong, if you look at the second picture on these pages it will show the correct design. As i mentioned, they also don't list RSL, which is wired because I swear I've run it before. The only RSL I can find now is in full skip (RSLF) & in .404. This site is pretty misleading & there are a bunch of picture discrepancies throughout all the chains, square or round.

They show these two pics as RSLK

Both pics are pulled from the RSLK page.
The top pic resembles what should be RSL, it does not have a listing but shows on the RSLK page as it's stock photo. Bottom Pic is the second pic on the page & is the correct representation. Go check out the pages, you'll see what in talking about.

Mike, if you have square but haven't tired it yet, be prepared to invest in some expensive files. Save Edge & Preferred make some but that's the easy part, I trashed more than one loop trying to learn how to file it right & I can file round with my eyes closed & my hands tied behind my back.. LOL. Defiantly a learning experience.

 

[moody]

One other thought on the 362cm while it's on my mind. The oiler is a little stingy. It oils a 20 fairly satisfactory but it's not enough for me to feel safe running a 25.

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[dl5205]

Is there possibility of some sort of oiler mod?

 

[moody]

Is there possibility of some sort of oiler mod?

I have no interest in modifying the oiler. The owner won't need to run anything bigger than a 20 on this saw.

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[mdavlee]

Stihl RSL is garbage??? Off the roll is amazing.

Yes mostly it sucks compared to a good grind or filing. All rolls aren't created equal either. I've had some that were awful from both stihl and Oregon out of the box. Top beaks and 5° top plate angles.

We need more videos

There is a HO oiler option for it if I remember right. I would have to go back through IPLs or search on here to find it.

 

[moody]

Yes mostly it sucks compared to a good grind or filing. All rolls aren't created equal either. I've had some that were awful from both stihl and Oregon out of the box. Top beaks and 5° top plate angles.

We need more videos

There is a HO oiler option for it if I remember right. I would have to go back through IPLs or search on here to find it.

I plan on having a muffler modded video tomorrow at the very minimum. It'd be very wishful thinking to say there will be a ported video any sooner than Monday.

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[Spectre468]

I'll ask again as you didn't respond earlier. Would you say that the 362 is a noticeable improvement over the 360 and 361 performancewise?

 

[moody]

I'll ask again as you didn't respond earlier. Would you say that the 362 is a noticeable improvement over the 360 and 361 performancewise?

The 362 OE was performance wise as good as any of its predecessors. The 362cm performs better than the OE. Stock I believe that it's the strongest 60cc saw Stihl's made so far. Ported we'll see

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[MustangMike]

Jimmy, thanks for the warning, others have also warned me about the "square" learning curve. Since you have been there, I would appreciate any advice. I purchased some of the PFERD "3 square" files, and reviewed the Madsen's site regarding angles. Any further advice would be appreciated. It does not look as difficult as everyone says it is, which scares me some, as I must be missing something.

Moody, Thanks about the oiler, but if I run longer than a 20" bar, it will not be on the 362. For most of what I do, 20" is best. With a shorter bar I have to reach too much, and a longer bar cuts too much of the next log in a woodpile.

 

[Spectre468]

The 362 OE was performance wise as good as any of its predecessors. The 362cm performs better than the OE. Stock I believe that it's the strongest 60cc saw Stihl's made so far. Ported we'll see

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Good to know!

 

[MustangMike]

Just my speculation, Moody's assessment that the M-Tronic 362 is Stihls best running stock 60 cc saw is in line with comments made by others regarding the M-Tronic versions of the 261 and 441, they flat out just out perform their predecessors. Fully ported the M-Tronic 362 may have an advantage over the regular 362 due to the new filter, but I doubt it will be any stronger than a ported 361, which will give Hp to weight advantage to the 361. However, for the "everyday Joe", we will not be able to screw up the tune on a ported 362, which will make it a favorite of the Saw Porters.

However I think I did hear that each of the new Stihl saws seems to be uniquely different from others in the lineup, so the results may not be what we anticipate.

This is obviously just my speculation, and like everyone else here I anxiously await Moody's results. It is really nice that he is doing this for us.

 

[mdavlee]

Jimmy, thanks for the warning, others have also warned me about the "square" learning curve. Since you have been there, I would appreciate any advice. I purchased some of the PFERD "3 square" files, and reviewed the Madsen's site regarding angles. Any further advice would be appreciated. It does not look as difficult as everyone says it is, which scares me some, as I must be missing something.

Moody, Thanks about the oiler, but if I run longer than a 20" bar, it will not be on the 362. For most of what I do, 20" is best. With a shorter bar I have to reach too much, and a longer bar cuts too much of the next log in a woodpile.

Its keeping 3 angles the same every stroke that's the challenging part. You're sharpening the top plate, side plate and setting the underside angle and top plate angle all during the file stroke.

 

[jimmycrackcorn]

Jimmy, thanks for the warning, others have also warned me about the "square" learning curve. Since you have been there, I would appreciate any advice. I purchased some of the PFERD "3 square" files, and reviewed the Madsen's site regarding angles. Any further advice would be appreciated. It does not look as difficult as everyone says it is, which scares me some, as I must be missing something.

Let me stew on an good explanation. Mdavlee summed it up pretty good though. Ill pm you if I come up with something.

 

[MustangMike]

Thanks guys, and I know that keeping the angle in the corner is very important. I also imagine that since you are going "outside in", keeping a light stroke would be a good idea.

 

[x1kidd]

Mr. Moody - I am very interested in additional information on the muffler mods. In your professional opinion, is the muffler choked up so that opening it up has a major benefit? Is there a best method for creating more flow without creating excessive amounts of extra noise?
thanks for your time

 

[moody]

Mr. Moody - I am very interested in additional information on the muffler mods. In your professional opinion, is the muffler choked up so that opening it up has a major benefit? Is there a best method for creating more flow without creating excessive amounts of extra noise?
thanks for your time

It's not really choked up compared to say the 461. But it definitely needs help. Switching to a 2 piece muffler makes it easier for the average Joe or saw builders to open it up.

If noise is a problem don't weld pipes on the muffler. You need to probably stick to modifying the existing outlet to utilize it's location. You can make a decent size hole but you need to give the exhaust room to deflect or bounce inside the muffler before exiting.

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[moody]

Here's a muffler modded video in the soft wood