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Come with me young man!
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Kevin lofgren
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Ok so before I log out are the people here in favor of rainforest distruction or aginst it.
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bullbuck
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well since noone actually figured out what your question was?hypothetically speaking if i lived in a second or possibly third world economy,and were trying to survive either just for myself,or possibly even a growing family? in the middle of a very hostile environment full of violence and disease,i think that i would be just slightly erked if someone from hollywood california told me that i will not be allowed to plow a field for as an american citizen sees it unfit and or unethical,really think that would piss me off!hypothetically speaking of course! but thats just what i think! kill as many of em as you can!
Biker Dude
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Rather than worry about the rain forest, I'd be more concerned with where my education money was going in southern California. If you & your foul mouth are the end result, then the taxpayers are getting the shaft.
STEVEGODSEYJR
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Take this comment times 100:jawdrop::jawdrop:
We don't know what YOU consider the definition of destruction to be. I'll tell you right now, from personal experience, that a lot of what you are reading, or seeing on TV is a lie. Those "environmental" groups tell lies, because they now have people who rely on donations from gullible LA--City people who believe all of the Industrial Environmental Business propaganda. A local example? A group called Lighthawk, in the 1980s started a brouhaha by taking photos of a clearcut during the winter. This clearcut, was on flat ground, smaller than 40 acres, met the laws and forest practice guidelines, and already had 4 foot tall trees growing in it, what we call stocked. Well, since the photo was taken in the winter, you couldn't see the reforestation and the caption read it was a reforestation failure. Therefore logging must stop.
National Geographic came by to look for a clearcut on National Forest (Federal Lands) they asked where they could find a giant clearcut where the trees were cut down to a river. They were told that no clearcutting is allowed larger than 40 acres and that cutting down to a river is not done anymore. So, on they went and found one on private land, put the photo in the magazine, and pronounced it as a Forest Service clearcut.
Thus began the start of the timber wars and the growth of the Industrial Environmental Complex, and the destruction of timber dependent communities.
Now groups like the Sierra Club are suing again and again and prevent the cleanup logging from taking place in burned areas, heck, they don't even want any thinning going on. The latter will make forest fires less severe, or in OUR RAINFOREST, make the replanted forest grow faster. I live in what is called the Temperate Rainforest and we haven't destroyed it yet from logging. It may burn up easier since so many roads have been closed--firefighters can get to small fires quicker with roads..DUH.
The big factor is, would you rather rely on oil for plastics or concrete for your needs. Both are renewable, in geological terms of time. Think Millions of Years. Or do you want to use paper made from trees, and boards and all the products listed which are made from trees which in the USA are required to be replanted. Not just replanted but have a successful survival rate? Did you know that?
So, your question is like me asking you, Are you in favor of the destruction of Cities in Dry Places? Because I've been to Disneyland, the airport at Riverside, and the Newport Beach Mall and watch TV shows based on living there so that is my concept of what life is where you live.
Understand?
That's the way to do it! Ask first before making any assumptions about people.
The facts are that I don't think anyone here has anything to do with rainforests. And I don't think anyone here could do anything about it one way or another if they tried.
The last few times I tried writing my elected representatives in the U.S. about our local problems in the U.S., I only got a reply from one congressman. And that was from his assistant and he basically said they were going to do NOTHING about my concern.
Furthermore I read a LOT of books and I know many times our elected representatives know darn well the majority of the people in the U.S. want one thing (polls), yet they do the EXACT OPPOSITE! They don't care.
Why do they do this? Because large corporations and foreign governments make large campaign contributions to our elected representatives. And these people do what the large corporations want. Not what WE want, but what the LARGE CORPORATIONS and FOREIGN GOVERNMENTS want!
Simple as that.
Now is this on the nightly TV news? No! Who owns the national TV news services? Large corporations! And they see to it that the U.S. public is misinformed or not informed about certain things.
SO... If you want to change the world, a good start would be to get regular people to take ownership of the national TV news services, become majority owners, then insist they report ALL the facts to the American public.
Then we would be voting for the people who would do what is best for us.
Search google.com for AIPAC, foreign campaign contributions, corporate campaign contributions, and control of the media. It will make your stomach turn when you see who is in control of our country! It is not "We the People"!
And so far as I know, this forum is populated by "We the People" types. We are not in any position to change anything. You are barking up the wrong tree!
Actually we like the trees, forests, nature, etc. and that is why many people here work outside in the forests.
I will say it now and say it again----CUT IT ALL AND PAVE IT BLACK
TimberFaller660
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goatchin
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funky sawman and timberfaller-not sure i follow your statement and agreement. Please explain your reasoning for not wanting to replant or keep a forest, a forest.
The way the statement comes across to me is that you want to develop everything and not have anything left but black top and cities?????
The way the statement comes across to me is that you want to develop everything and not have anything left but black top and cities?????
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I think it was meant as over the top humor... wasn't it? :monkey:
goatchin
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If thats what they are trying to do, then ok. To me it is past "over the top" and not humor any more because I dont care for the developing rural areas any more. I like the wide open space and not having to look at another persons house from mine...now i have to since the frickin neighbors decided to build a house in a corn field we use to harvest.
I think he said "go on trimmmed I dare ya, I double dog dare ya"
So.....................
STEVEGODSEYJR
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Time to clean this thread up boys and girl. Some of us sounded like the idiot that made the first post.....including myself.
TimberFaller660
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idk how sawmans view of it is but i thought it was funny, just like this thread is. but in all realality i dont want the country to be nothin but pavement, im from the country i hate bein in the city. and yes wood4heat it was over the top humor
OK, here is a chance to educate someone who is a blank slate on the subject of forest management. He communicated in a private message. Did not know that clearcuts are reforested. So, can we seriously do some educating here?
Like, here's what goes on prior to tree cutting? Permits, walk overs, buffering of creeks and wet areas? BMPs? Come on guys, you have a chance to strut your stuff.
Here's what goes on in my part of the world.
Area to be logged is drawn up on a map. Specialists go out and look for threatened and sensitive species of plants and critters. If they find them, they figure out whether it can be protected by buffering, or if the whole unit needs to be thrown out--left unlogged. This takes a year or more. Other things looked at are wet areas, creeks, ponds, soil type, are there historical things like old dumps to be protected, what is the goal of the logging to be?
A logging systems specialist walks the area. They come up with the best method to yard or skid or fly the logs in. They draw where roads are needed, where landings are needed and what type of machine is needed. They look for good guyline stumps and tail trees. Then they write up a report.
An environmental assessment is written. What is the sale likely to harm? What will benefit? What is the final plan?
The document goes public, and waits for an appeal--and there usually is an environmental group going to appeal it. Then more time is spent deciding whether the appeal is upheld or denied. If the latter, often the sale goes to court. A judge decides whether or not or how to log it.
But, if it makes it through the appeal process, implementation starts. Timber Cruisers go out (Timber cruisers are people who take plots and measure trees and the amount of timber is calculated from their data) and work. People go out and flag and tag units, roads are flagged in on the ground. Boundaries are posted to keep logging operations away from wet areas and creeks. Buffered areas are flagged in to keep operations away from those sensitive plants.
A contract is assembled, with many many pages of rules. Operating restrictions are listed. An example? No logging from February 28 to July 1 to protect nesting spotted owls. There are quite a few of these restrictions that can be used.
The sale is advertised and then loggers and lumber mill people bid on it. The highest bidder gets the sale.
Stay tuned, the next installation will be Logging.
Like, here's what goes on prior to tree cutting? Permits, walk overs, buffering of creeks and wet areas? BMPs? Come on guys, you have a chance to strut your stuff.
Here's what goes on in my part of the world.
Area to be logged is drawn up on a map. Specialists go out and look for threatened and sensitive species of plants and critters. If they find them, they figure out whether it can be protected by buffering, or if the whole unit needs to be thrown out--left unlogged. This takes a year or more. Other things looked at are wet areas, creeks, ponds, soil type, are there historical things like old dumps to be protected, what is the goal of the logging to be?
A logging systems specialist walks the area. They come up with the best method to yard or skid or fly the logs in. They draw where roads are needed, where landings are needed and what type of machine is needed. They look for good guyline stumps and tail trees. Then they write up a report.
An environmental assessment is written. What is the sale likely to harm? What will benefit? What is the final plan?
The document goes public, and waits for an appeal--and there usually is an environmental group going to appeal it. Then more time is spent deciding whether the appeal is upheld or denied. If the latter, often the sale goes to court. A judge decides whether or not or how to log it.
But, if it makes it through the appeal process, implementation starts. Timber Cruisers go out (Timber cruisers are people who take plots and measure trees and the amount of timber is calculated from their data) and work. People go out and flag and tag units, roads are flagged in on the ground. Boundaries are posted to keep logging operations away from wet areas and creeks. Buffered areas are flagged in to keep operations away from those sensitive plants.
A contract is assembled, with many many pages of rules. Operating restrictions are listed. An example? No logging from February 28 to July 1 to protect nesting spotted owls. There are quite a few of these restrictions that can be used.
The sale is advertised and then loggers and lumber mill people bid on it. The highest bidder gets the sale.
Stay tuned, the next installation will be Logging.
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