Toppers

[Blakesmaster]

...Dr.

 

[tree MDS]

Lol. It is a little much really. Guy puts in a good effort though.

 

[Rftreeman]

The doctor did a really good job of cutting my fingers off. But now I’m getting a little confused. My friends are telling me that I never should have done this, and that my hand will never be the same.

at least the trees will grow back but you're screwed...........................comparing people to trees is no comparison, you can't be put on death row for killing a tree so please stop comparing people to trees............























yes, I know he didn't really cut of his fingers.......................

 

[BCMA]

Thanks for the PM. I really do not expect the general public to understand or embrace what proper tree care is. It is up to the industry and concerned individuals in our industry to take a stand for what is right. What I find is amazing is that most, if not all of the people on this website agree that indiscriminate topping of mature trees is not healthy for the tree, and that we have standards as an industry that forbids this type of pruning in a general sense. But, rather than take the high road and adopt a higher standard of operation, they will continue to provide sub-standard services. Money being the motivating factor.

The tree care industry unfortunately is not viewed by many in the public as a professional profession. Almost all professional professions have regulatory boards, licenses, code of ethics, etc. Tree care in most states and cities have little to none of this. Therefore, all you need to be a tree care provider is really….nothing! BTW, this is how I started out back in the mid 80’s. I quit topping trees shortly after I started in the tree care business, and after one of my jobs ended up on the evening news as an example of what not to do to a tree. Quite embarrassing! Shortly after that I heard about the ISA and became a certified arborist. That is what started my quest for learning and education.

I have been in the tree care industry going on 25 years now. I will finish my working career in this industry, and figure I have another 10 to 15 years. I see how our profession has advanced in the past twenty years. We have made tremendous advancements. I’m at the point where I’m tired of seeing our profession not get the respect it deserves, and we are reasons for this. One of the reasons is that we as an industry will, and do allow, work to be performed that is against all arboriculture standards. We will also allow illegitimate owners and operators to work without proper training, insurance, workman’s compensation, paying employees under the table, violating safety standards, licensing, etc..

I have decided it is time someone stands up and says this is wrong and needs to change. Some of you out there are working hard to build a business and have a general desire to do what is right. Some of you could care less as you have indicated in your replies. These messages are not necessarily meant for you because of your closed mind and inability to adapt to change, but for the person who may be on the fence and wants better for themselves and their profession. I am willing to take this stand publicly and put my name on it.

I would like to encourage others to take a stand for the professionalism of our industry by supporting the various tree care associations, ANSI standards, legal business operations, and quality tree work that will adhere to accepted standards. This may not make you popular, but it is the right thing to do.

The tree care industry as a whole will never rise above the lowest common denominator. As long as we allow the illegitimate and the hacks to operate and represent our industry, this is how we will be viewed as a whole. The replies on this thread has confirmed this. Is there anyone who is willing to take a stand?

 

[clearance]

I am a utility arborist, I have cut down or trimmed thousand of trees around powerlines. I am thought of and called a hack by many because I climb with spurs at all times.

I am a certified utility arborist, a recognized trade in this province. Unlike I.S.A. certification, which is not a trade.

Tim, I believe you have issues regarding treework, perhaps you have feelings of inadaquecy, perhaps you feel you do not get the respect you deserve.

All I need is the respect of tree guys I like. Thats all it takes, without that I would be very upset. What joe public thinks, I don't give a flying f.

I make proper cuts, I top trees if thats what the customer really desires. I cut trees down. I sleep well at night. Quit trying to make it out like treework is rocket science or open heart surgery, it takes a lot of skill, but trees ain't people. I can kill trees all day long, a new one will be along, its no big deal.

 

[BCMA]

at least the trees will grow back but you're screwed...........................comparing people to trees is no comparison, you can't be put on death row for killing a tree so please stop comparing people to trees............ I know he didn't really cut of his fingers.......................

The satire of the illustration was to compare the “door-to-door” doctor that is willing to cut off fingers if asked to, to the “arborist” that is willing to top healthy trees and call it acceptable. And, I do understand that there are exceptions to the rule depending on the situation.

If this truly had happened, and a doctor did cut off my fingers, what would the medical profession have to say about the practices of this doctor. Don’t you suppose he would lose his license and ability to operate as a doctor. I think so!

My point is that we as an industry need to start looking seriously at our standards of operation, and work to raise the level of the public perception of our industry. The fact that bad tree work still exist is not the real problem. It is a symptom of the problem. The real problem lies in the fact that anyone can perform tree work regardless of their qualifications, and legitimacy. If this was to change, then those performing lousy tree work would get thrown out! It would cause those who were serious about their profession to straighten up. It would cause more work to go to legitimate services. The public would benefit with a higher degree of professionalism.

We need to wake up and understand what this is doing to us!

 

[BCMA]

I am a utility arborist, I have cut down or trimmed thousand of trees around powerlines. I am thought of and called a hack by many because I climb with spurs at all times.

I am a certified utility arborist, a recognized trade in this province. Unlike I.S.A. certification, which is not a trade.

Tim, I believe you have issues regarding treework, perhaps you have feelings of inadaquecy, perhaps you feel you do not get the respect you deserve.

All I need is the respect of tree guys I like. Thats all it takes, without that I would be very upset. What joe public thinks, I don't give a flying f.

I make proper cuts, I top trees if thats what the customer really desires. I cut trees down. I sleep well at night. Quit trying to make it out like treework is rocket science or open heart surgery, it takes a lot of skill, but trees ain't people. I can kill trees all day long, a new one will be along, its no big deal.

One of my specialties is precision timber felling of big trees in tight locations. I’ve been doing it for years.

Here are some pictures from last week.

BTW, I do not put utility clearance in the same category as residential tree care. Two different animals with fir. Your job requires clearing those lines which is not an easy job. Thank you for the good job you do!

 

[clearance]

Elite

The real problem lies in the fact that anyone can perform tree work regardless of their qualifications, and legitimacy. If this was to change, then those performing lousy tree work would get thrown out!

This is the real issue here for you, BCMA, culling the herd for more money and more prestige for the elite such as yourself. The constant bleating that "we" are not held in high esteem by the public is not the main thing at all.

Let me guess, only ISA certified people can do treework? Or something like that?

 

[clearance]

One of my specialties is precision timber felling of big trees in tight locations. I’ve been doing it for years.

Here are some pictures from last week.

BTW, I do not put utility clearance in the same category as residential tree care. Two different animals with fir.

These are not pictures of precision timber felling, dig up something else. I see a huge opening and an excavator (big yellow wedge).

And I do residential tree work exactly the same as I do utility work, just not as much fun with no power!

 

[treeseer]

Quit trying to make it out like treework is rocket science

You're right; it's not.

It's harder, because trees are alive, and changing with the changes all around them.

If the herd needs to be culled it's because many are sick and doing damage.

 

[kennertree]

I'm standing right there with you and have been for years!

Me too.

 

[juststumps]

Plant new fingers and burn the old ones, dipsh!t.

ROTFLMAO !!!!

 

[Rftreeman]

:deadhorse: OK, we get the point, topping is wrong and "we" need to stop doing tree work unless we have a bunch of titles behind our name and we also need to refuse to make money by giving the customer what they want and trees have feelings and they hurt when we top them.............

 

[clearance]

:deadhorse: OK, we get the point, topping is wrong and "we" need to stop doing tree work unless we have a bunch of titles behind our name and we also need to refuse to make money by giving the customer what they want and trees have feelings and they hurt when we top them.............

yup.

 

[Nailsbeats]

opcorn:

 

[yooper]

One of my specialties is precision timber felling of big trees in tight locations. I’ve been doing it for years.

Here are some pictures from last week.

BTW, I do not put utility clearance in the same category as residential tree care. Two different animals with fir. Your job requires clearing those lines which is not an easy job. Thank you for the good job you do!

wow man I really liked the story before..but it can and will be taken wrong by most tree huggers...watch out they take things out of context...but good story
As for the percision felling.........looks like logging to me...been there done that started when I was 13 now I do precision felling...learned allot from books but never learned that there. O ya I do it around obstacles not other trees.....good story though..although If I have an infected or diseased finger I still wont cut it off even if I cut a infected or diseased tree limb off. or even if you say its a good idea.

 

[BCMA]

"Never argue with an idiot; They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience"

Thank you for the tag line. I will take you advice and apply it to some of the replies I've received in this thread! :agree2:

 

[yooper]

no problem my friend no porblem.

 

[clearance]

These are not pictures of precision timber felling, dig up something else. I see a huge opening and an excavator (big yellow wedge).

And I do residential tree work exactly the same as I do utility work, just not as much fun with no power!

Yooper, I said it, last page. Thats just easy logging.
If I could use a computer and scan pictures with the tech stuff I don't have, I would post some pics of me falling big pines between houses. Now that was precision, that or jump in your truck and leave town pronto.

 

[yooper]

Yooper, I said it, last page. Thats just easy logging.
If I could use a computer and scan pictures with the tech stuff I don't have, I would post some pics of me falling big pines between houses. Now that was precision, that or jump in your truck and leave town pronto.

dude I hear ya loud and clear. I did get a little excited befor seeing his photos....:deadhorse: just slap me in the ass and call me stupid please!