Mine is based on a percentage. Works good for me.
Jeff
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What are you guys doing per day??
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treemandan
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ducaticorse
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Dan, if you want to run a full time 3 plus person crew with full insurance, and multiple pieces of heavy equipment, then you need to have an idea as to what you need to make on the hated "day rate". You must know that, so why does it bother you so much?
I work in and around Boston. I have storage bills, tolls, DOT to deal with on a regular basis. You can't work around here without some type of financial plan in place. I fail to understand why setting a number as a goal to gross daily is such an odd/terrible concept to you.
There is a big difference between doing business successfully, and climbing trees. Just because you're an ace at one, doesn't mean you are at the other. Certain individuals on this board have the ability to perform both at the same time, some obviously don't.
And PS, I have the photos of the big commercial removal job I just contracted if you'd like to see them....
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treemandan
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You bet yor ass I want to see them! And what it is about the rate quandary is the same thing I find so amusing about the " how much wood is in a cord " conundrum that has been around since the dawn of time.
Grasshopper ( Duticourse), I was the first to answer this question for you when you asked it. Now all you must to is be able to understand my answer and then you will be on your way to becoming a master.
This is one of the better threads on this topic. Blakes made some great general points and combine them with what Sunrise thinks along with other realities it disrupts the spreadsheet program on Windows plus the question is so God dam " :newbie: " I guess everytime I hear it asked I get annoyed and want to see why it was asked.
Funny, I just charge what its worth and I am getting all that I can.
ducaticorse
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Send me your email, I'll send them to you now. You're welcome to post them here, I just can't resize them to fit. I have a new camera, and haven't figured out the software yet.
AND, if you want to run a business, you need to know what you need to make. Throwing out a random number with no reasoning as to how you came up with it is foolish. When I asked, I was just wondering what others were getting.
I own my equipment, no payments. My numbers should be a bit less than someone who has payments on theirs. My rates are based on bodies, equipment, and time on the job. Sometimes I charge less for big huge trees that are tit, sometimes I charge more for for tiny trees that are difficult. Bottom line is, that I price them according to how much time out of my day, or days they take up. And that number now is $1800 a day. It's a reference point, and it works wl in my area. I am constantly just a tick below my competitors as long as they are legit, and not CL bandits whores.
ducaticorse
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Seems a bit an arcanum response!
Jeff.png "Love :heart:")
Yeah, he said "grasshopper" in reference to my "newbism" on this board, so I guess in a way it was....
sgreanbeans
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I have a goal that I like to hit everyday, but I don't. Some days are awesome while others suck. Not so much worried about the daily as I am the month. You get into some jobs and something happens that slows ya down, profit goes down, other days, things couldn't go any better, makin da do! So I average my days over a month, have a set goal for net profit, if I hit that, then I am good. I have had $4000 days and $400 days. I am a small op, me and 2-3 guys, we go as hard as we can, make as much as we can.
One day I made 4g's in 4 hours! Couldn't believe it, I was SO HAPPY! Next day we got a skidloader stuck, and paid 3 guys a full day to get it out. Didn't hit any goal that day!
bushinspector
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And I hope I never get our skid stuck THAT bad!!!!
TreeAce
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Seems to me that the amount I need to make in a day is the most I can get. And like sgreanbean I think the bottom line is at the end of the month. Or even year assuming u always had your head above water enough to pay bills. Of course I have a daily amount in mind , a mere 800 seems to be all the local population will do around here. Give or TAKE. Keep in mind I only run a chipper truck/12 inch chipper, f-450 dump w/trailer n a carlton 2300 stumper. I have nice saws n other misc tools. 2 sometimes 3 guys with me. Of corse that # goes up with bigger n better equipment .The tree is still worth the same just gets done faster. But when people talk 2 guys 2000$ all I have to say is "Not here buddy...u WILL starve!"
Sunrise Guy
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I'm not even remotely jealous of the blowhard liars, in here, who post absurd daily income figures. If anyone wants to post their yearly NET, after all expenses, THAT I'm interested in, and might even actually be jealous of. Come to think of it, I wouldn't be jealous. In fact, I'd write those fellows/gals and ask them how they built up their business, how they solicit for new business, how they maintain payroll, how they train new employees and retain the same, how large their client base is, how much they kick back to the proper authorities to keep ahead of their more honest competition, how hard they #$%^ up to those same authorities to get their gigs, etc., etc.
Yeah, there just might be some jealousy in me if I believed the figures I read in those posts. I suppose you might be able to make better bucks in an area free of those who don't have any of the expenses we all have as law-abiding workers. Still, unless you're the only show in a town where you have all the business you want, there's no way you're pulling in the goofy daily averages cited.
Everyone thinks that with more equipment you get a bigger price but if you do the math you will see or you can read this and I will spell it out for ya.
It is not about how much you make in a day,month or even a year...it is how much you PROFIT! You guys climbing trees and running a chipper are charging lets say $200 less than a man with a bucket and chipper.You have less overhead so more goes in your pocket,shure it may take alittle longer and time is money but at the end of the day you put more money in your pocket than the guy with all the equipment.
Equipment makes the job easier and faster but you tag,tax,insure,and maintain every year.
I am small time compared to some ( Just me and my wife ) but we have 2 bucket trucks,chipper truck,chipper,crane,dump truck,bobcat,stump grinder,and 3 trailers.With that much equipment a $1500 day is a GREAT day for me but will see many $500 to $800 days.
It is not about how much you make in a day,month or even a year...it is how much you PROFIT! You guys climbing trees and running a chipper are charging lets say $200 less than a man with a bucket and chipper.You have less overhead so more goes in your pocket,shure it may take alittle longer and time is money but at the end of the day you put more money in your pocket than the guy with all the equipment.
Equipment makes the job easier and faster but you tag,tax,insure,and maintain every year.
I am small time compared to some ( Just me and my wife ) but we have 2 bucket trucks,chipper truck,chipper,crane,dump truck,bobcat,stump grinder,and 3 trailers.With that much equipment a $1500 day is a GREAT day for me but will see many $500 to $800 days.
treemandan
Tree Freak
The mystery is unfolding. Got some real good points and veiws for once on the take. I appreciate some fellas seeing it how I see it.
Me too. I'm gonna cut my rates in half after reading this and doing some heavy thinking.. I should be able to get twice as much work that way!!
ducaticorse
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You wanna see those pics or not?
Yeah, come on dano, get hot with the pic resizing for yer boy ducatti there. We got twelve to twenty inches of snow just starting. I need some entertainment!
ducaticorse
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LOL, I'm sitting here on the Water in Nahant at the Tides watching the Pats waiting for this supposed storm to pop off!
How much you guys supposed to get up there?
Went to pull the damn tractor in the shop, so I could do the yard here when its over.. friggin hyd. line for the steering went. Fancy line with metal ends and flat faced O-rings, not something you can just run out to any parts store for. Thankfully I got a buddy with a plow anyway..
Every whack job in the entire northwest corner is out at the supermarkets and flooding the gas stations. Everybody seems to have these annoying little gas cans their filling up, like its ####ing snowmageddon coming or some ####.. baah! at least christmas is over anyway!
the Aerialist
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I feel good if I can bring in $1000 a day after crew costs. $2k is probably the best I've ever done in a day (after paying the crew). But that was exceptional.
But it goes both ways. In my current job I've been paid $1400 but crew pay out so far is over a grand. And the main tree still stands! I'm going to tackle it this week but will probably lose money on it after all costs are figured out. I'll get another $1200 when I finish this one, but all the costs will wipe most if not all of that out:
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ducaticorse
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Calling for 18 inches give or take. Coast is gonna get brutalized. Check and see if there are any hydro shops open for the storm, that hose you can make in 2 minutes. Anyway, yeah, its a ####show here too.... My girls parent are headed home to Danbury CT right now from Boston I hope somehow her mother gets separated, and only her father makes it back.
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