I’m new to these computerized carb saws and was wondering what fuel mix ratio best for M-tronic saws?
What fuel mix ratio best for M-tronic saws?
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Stick to the recommended oil in a 50:1 ratio. It works perfectly! I recently changed to the Stihl HP Super semi synthetic oil, and my machines are really, really happy on it. Even in our 40 degree Celcius plus summers, everything runs perfectly. And no smoking anymore either!!! Your saws will love you for it! No need to reinvent the wheel here...
I run 40:1 in mine without issues. I’ve see problems with 32:1 and some have not. 50:1 is fine but i feel better at 40:1.
HP Super isn’t available in the US.
HP Super isn’t available in the US.
I bought this saw used with fried piston I’ve heard there are some bugs in these causing it to run lean
I haven't seen a lot of issues with Mtronics running lean...most run rich.
My guess is that saw was straight gassed. If not, and it really is a lean problem, then you're going to want to figure that out before you run the saw again.
I’m going to be running Bel-ray H1-R I’ve heard good things about this oil
Its excellent oil but doesn’t combust properly in this application.
What are the effects? Carbon build up?
I’ll try to get a picture of the piston posted
Yes, bugs can cause problems. I spray my saws with Ortho home defense. It kills bugs up to 3 months.
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Been using 40:1 in mine for over 4 years now without issue, just like in all my 2 cycle equipment. My stash of Mobil 1 synthetic ran out and am now running Lucas semi synthetic. Always E-free gas with a little extra stabilizer added.
Cycledude
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I am always amazed at how many folks love to ignore the factory recommended 50:1
cedarhollow
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like my neighbor who had some old 30 weight laying around, mixed it with the gas and had plenty of old drain oil to lube the chain with now wonders why the saw dont run no more.
spend the money on a mtronic might as well feed it real stihl oil and non ethanol gas
spend the money on a mtronic might as well feed it real stihl oil and non ethanol gas
50:1 is a push by the EPA. Not the people that make the saws.
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Cycledude
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Obviously you believe everything you read. Tear down some saws that get run hard using 50:1 vs 40:1 mix and then get back to us. I want to see a nice oil film on all those parts spinning at 13,000 rpm.
Car manufacturers state in the owners manual you never need to change transmission fluid too, yea right......
Buddy has a 461 he bought new pretty much when they came out that's been run at 50:1 it's whole life... thousands of hours on it as he runs a removal business. No issues. That's plenty of service life. Several lifetimes for average cutters.
Also, I have 250k miles on my Toyota Corolla...same transmission fluid...Pretty sure I'll get 300k+. Oil changed at manufacturers recommended 10k miles with 0W-20 which is like water. Not a single drive train failure. Again...perfectly acceptable service life. I think you ask anyone if 300k miles is a solid life out of a $23k vehicle, they'll say yeah.
All anecdotal evidence and obviously means nothing to you...but if 50:1 is good enough for thousands of hours of commercial work, it's plenty good enough for me. If it was blowing up saws or reducing service life significantly, we would be hearing about it a lot more than we are. IMO.
There are all sorts of reported bearing failures in strato saws due to the heavier piston, lesser amounts of mix flowing through the crankcase, and a general lack of oil. When I dig into them, there is no excess oil anywhere in the bottom end.
A 461 being a traditional scavenging motor won’t see these issues if tuned on the rich side.
I get quite a few 7900’s and 034/6 with case bearing failures. All run on 50:1.
