I think the basic complaint is that they cannot get law enforcement to catch the trespassing turkey hunters. If so, they are also unlikely to get the cops out to arrest drone hunters.
I think the basic complaint is that they cannot get law enforcement to catch the trespassing turkey hunters. If so, they are also unlikely to get the cops out to arrest drone hunters.
Yeah, I rather imaging that using a drone to bug guys with shotguns loaded for turkey just wouldn't end up too well. They might even enjoy the drone hunt better than the turkeys. Drones might even be easier to bring down than tom turkeys.
Shooting a drone out of the sky is a Federal offense. A drone is considered an aircraft, and shooting down a drone is no different than shooting down an airplane that buzzing your house.Yeah, I rather imaging that using a drone to bug guys with shotguns loaded for turkey just wouldn't end up too well. They might even enjoy the drone hunt better than the turkeys. Drones might even be easier to bring down than tom turkeys.
For sure. I share your concern... Laws were written by the people for the people to read and use the courts rather than dueling in the streets or taking vigilante action against someone whom is also breaking the law. Admittedly the courts don't always have a predictable outcome because the courts are also run by people. Over time though, law trends toward what constitutes justice.I just ran across this thread. I have not had time to read it all but it sounds like you have dealt with some similar issues that I have had to deal with. I did see some give you advice that was wrong and will land you in court on the wrong side of the law.
Well said. I have had many issues over the years and been on both sides/ends. In one case we were told we could not take back the property that was stolen as that would be theft. Seems odd how a person can be charged with theft of their own property.For sure. I share your concern... Laws were written by the people for the people to read and use the courts rather than dueling in the streets or taking vigilante action against someone whom is also breaking the law. Admittedly the courts don't always have a predictable outcome because the courts are also run by people. Over time though, law trends toward what constitutes justice.
So Im all about following the laws and using criminal and civil courts to defend my property even though that is the long game. Gathering evidence is the means by which pursuit in court becomes more effective.
Couple decades ago I had a theft of personal property incident despite a well written contract that necessitated going to civil court. No attorney wanted to take it for less than the value of the item stolen, so I studied and represented myself in court against two law firms. I made mistakes, and I didn't come off anywhere near polished in the court room, but I won the case. Since then I have gone pro se (self represented) against others that take from me and am happy to report all have been wins including against the local government in State Supreme Court and a large corporation.
Its a ton of work to go this route but ultimately this path will trend toward justice as well.
To say that that scenario would really irritate me would be an understatement!Well said. I have had many issues over the years and been on both sides/ends. In one case we were told we could not take back the property that was stolen as that would be theft. Seems odd how a person can be charged with theft of their own property.
Well when the detective told us we could not take it back my father used some colorful language to the effect of ".oh yeah well.....arrest me or watch me..". It was 2 four wheelers and they were viewable from the road. We drove in and took them back. No arrests we're made.To say that that scenario would really irritate me would be an understatement!
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Also I do not know what state wardog is in but here if shots are fired or holes are put in trucks you will find yourself in a courtroom and on the losing side.
Well when the detective told us we could not take it back my father used some colorful language to the effect of ".oh yeah well.....arrest me or watch me..". It was 2 four wheelers and they were viewable from the road. We drove in and took them back. No arrests we're made.
I live in Indiana just across the river from Illinois and have never hunted in Illinois but know many that do. To address many people's concerns about blowing holes in vehicles and or nails, Those are not things I would do as a first choice but I will tell you that the property is mine to do with as I like so "IF" I choose to shoot through my property and or put boards with nails in them randomly throughout, that is my prerogative and evidently those who trespass can't be controlled to stay out of harm's way to their property as they illegally enter upon mine! I can shoot holes through my own home or truck "IF" I want to do so. Once a person makes the CHOICE to trespass, they are solely responsible for the consequences of the CHOICES they make especially when they THEMSELVES are violating the law(s) when they make that CHOICE. I researched the trespassing laws in Illinios and have to say they pretty much resemble those here in Indiana except that Illinois has posting laws that Indiana does not. With that said one should actually have the law interpreted by the game authority office or have been in court where a judge describes it to both parties, which I have.In Illinois game wardens can and will enter property at any time for any reason.
Also I do not know what state wardog is in but here if shots are fired or holes are put in trucks you will find yourself in a courtroom and on the losing side.
The game wardens in Illinois can and will enter any property at anytime. They can and will enter your home in search of illegally taken game. They do not need a search warrant just a reasonable suspicion of discovery.I live in Indiana just across the river from Illinois and have never hunted in Illinois but know many that do. To address many people's concerns about blowing holes in vehicles and or nails, Those are not things I would do as a first choice but I will tell you that the property is mine to do with as I like so "IF" I choose to shoot through my property and or put boards with nails in them randomly throughout, that is my prerogative and evidently those who trespass can't be controlled to stay out of harm's way to their property as they illegally enter upon mine! I can shoot holes through my own home or truck "IF" I want to do so. Once a person makes the CHOICE to trespass, they are solely responsible for the consequences of the CHOICES they make especially when they THEMSELVES are violating the law(s) when they make that CHOICE. I researched the trespassing laws in Illinios and have to say they pretty much resemble those here in Indiana except that Illinois has posting laws that Indiana does not. With that said one should actually have the law interpreted by the game authority office or have been in court where a judge describes it to both parties, which I have.
Here is the EXACT law in Illinois as written:
"Private Land Permission and Access
It is unlawful for any person to take (see definition of “take”) or
attempt to take any species of wildlife or parts thereof or intentionally
or wantonly allow a dog to hunt, within or upon the land of another,
or upon waters flowing over or standing on the land of another, or
to knowingly shoot a gun or bow and arrow device at any wildlife
physically on or flying over the property of another without first
obtaining permission from the owner or the owner’s designee. For the
purposes of this law, the owner’s designee means anyone whom the
owner designates in a written authorization and the authorization must
contain (i) the legal or common description of property, (ii) the extent
that the owner’s designee is authorized to make decisions regarding
who is allowed to take or attempt to take any species of wildlife or
parts thereof, and (iii) the owner’s notarized signature.
Illinois law does not grant the right of trespass for the purpose of
retrieving wounded or crippled wildlife or hunting dogs. Secure
permission from the landowner or tenant before entering any property.
Your conduct while hunting and trapping can influence the landowner’s
decision to allow future hunting or trapping. Note: Railroad rights- of way are private property and permission from the owner is needed
before hunting or trapping."
"All Conservation Police Officers are empowered, pursuant to law, to
enter all lands and waters to enforce the provisions of the Wildlife
Code and Administrative Rules."
One will NOTICE that in ILLINOIS it is EXACTLY as Indiana law in that a Conservation Police officer can enter ALL lands pursuant to LAW "TO ENFORCE the PROVISIONS of the wildlife code and Administrative Rules. PLEASE show us in the Illinois law where, hunting on private land without permission or trespass, retrieving game or hunting dogs is a legal provision of the wildlife code. FACT is they are cited in the EXACT written PRIVATE WRITTEN LAND PERMISSION and ACCESS LAW as prohibited. When doing so without probable cause of a violation of the law, they Conservation Police officers, themselves have violated one's 4th Amendment Constitutional rights AS I stated many hunters have learned the interpretation of these words in a court of law, including me on BOTH sides of the isle. AGAIN this is one of the reasons I quit **** hunting at night as this kind of hunting does not allow for actual controlling of dogs from private property and "IF" I do not own it or have written permission to be on it I am in violation of the law in this state which has NO posting laws, making that illegal for most property.
Not in my area. The closest officer is many times 30 miles away.....................As much as I hate to, you have to involve the man. Game wardens around here love this stuff. Local sheriff also. Carry your cell phone and have them or 911 on speed dial. If that doesn’t work, say looks like he’s got a gun pointing my way. That will get their butt in gear.
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