Which Klotz?

[stihl038x2]

This is what I use...... smells good too

R 50® TechniPlate®

Steve

 

[mdavlee]

I'll probably call Klotz tomorrow and see if they're in and inquire about the lite. I was planning on buying about a gallon of mix at a time but I might try one quart of it from them and try it.

 

[WoodChuck'r]

This is what I use...... smells good too

R 50® TechniPlate®

Steve

R50 @ 32:1 with VP D12 makes up one deliciously good smelling cocktail. It's all I use.

 

[Motorsen]

Have a look on this!

This is the oil I trust my 2-strokes on! Have a look for your self: http://www.lubadmin.com/upload/produit/FichePDF/lang_1/163.pdf
You oil crackers have a look on this great oil. And yes it is virtualy totaly smoke free.
The only consern I have is when looking on the spec sheet is that it is a quite heavy oil opposed to the "conventional" chainsaw oils. This is a SAE 30 oil.
The Stihl ultra and Husqvarna Xp/low smoke is "only" what I would call 10 to 20 weight oils. Maybe I am to high in vicousity on this oil. But it sure shows higher compresion opposed to the "conventional" chainsaw oils.
Ofcourse the Stihl and Husqy oils is a compromise as all other products but they are biased towards cold operation in the woods of Sweden and Canada in the winter? And have a "reserve" towards a hot application on summer operation. I mean not idaelly suited for summer operation. And so may "my" oil not be suited for winter applications.
Please chime in and give some good qualified and constructive answers.

Regards
Motorsen

 

[mdavlee]

That's a good looking oil on paper. Never heard of it before over here so it may not be available.

 

[sachsmo]

That looks like good stuff, probably hard to find over here.

Klotz is made about 10 minutes from where I work.

 

[mdavlee]

The closest bike shop doesn't stock klotz but will order it. I can probably buy it straight from klotz cheaper than the 9.5% tax on it at home. They have a lot of belray and spectro and had maxima 927 in stock.

 

[sachsmo]

You can get it cheaper from Summit than from the factory.

You can get multiples for the same shipping as 1.

 

[zogger]

Why?

If the motorcycle oil is better for saws..err.. why don't the saw manufacturers, who contract out their oil and specify how it is blended, make their oil that same way? All their engineers and testing aren't good? They've never heard of motorcycle oil blends (no one at husky, stihl, dolmar, echo etc never owned a bike??) and never checked those out?

I'm just wondering what this rationale is, that's all, really, it is a legit question. For the record, I have bounced around and settled on echo oil, @ around 45:1. Got no dog in the oil wars fight, just wondering why the cycle oil over the actual chainsaw oil, and also, have any of ya'all uber enthusiasts and builders ever emailed or called any of the big saw companies and asked them directly what is up with their oil and why it isn't acceptable, why you don't get the same performance? Is it just some EPA crap that somehow the motorcycle manufacturers aren't subject to, but the chainsaw guys are?

Just looking for the real science (or politics), that's all.

 

[mdavlee]

If the bike oil is cheaper and better then why not run it? I want synthetic and stihl ultra is ultra high local. A quart of klotz was $12. I can mix 12 gallons of 50:1 out of it. Stihl ultra is $20 for 2 six packs for 12 gallons.

 

[sachsmo]

If the motorcycle oil is better for saws..err.. why don't the saw manufacturers, who contract out their oil and specify how it is blended, make their oil that same way? All their engineers and testing aren't good? They've never heard of motorcycle oil blends (no one at husky, stihl, dolmar, echo etc never owned a bike??) and never checked those out?

I'm just wondering what this rationale is, that's all, really, it is a legit question. For the record, I have bounced around and settled on echo oil, @ around 45:1. Got no dog in the oil wars fight, just wondering why the cycle oil over the actual chainsaw oil, and also, have any of ya'all uber enthusiasts and builders ever emailed or called any of the big saw companies and asked them directly what is up with their oil and why it isn't acceptable, why you don't get the same performance? Is it just some EPA crap that somehow the motorcycle manufacturers aren't subject to, but the chainsaw guys are?

Just looking for the real science (or politics), that's all.

Dunno,

Klotz is NOT just motorcycle oil.
They make stuff for sleds, outboards, Karts, RC and on and on.
I didn't ever stay at a Holiday Inn, but I have talked to a few of the Klotz engineers.

They know their oil.

 

[Tzed250]

If the motorcycle oil is better for saws..err.. why don't the saw manufacturers, who contract out their oil and specify how it is blended, make their oil that same way? All their engineers and testing aren't good? They've never heard of motorcycle oil blends (no one at husky, stihl, dolmar, echo etc never owned a bike??) and never checked those out?

I'm just wondering what this rationale is, that's all, really, it is a legit question. For the record, I have bounced around and settled on echo oil, @ around 45:1. Got no dog in the oil wars fight, just wondering why the cycle oil over the actual chainsaw oil, and also, have any of ya'all uber enthusiasts and builders ever emailed or called any of the big saw companies and asked them directly what is up with their oil and why it isn't acceptable, why you don't get the same performance? Is it just some EPA crap that somehow the motorcycle manufacturers aren't subject to, but the chainsaw guys are?

Just looking for the real science (or politics), that's all.

It seems by your post that this is your first oil thread. Hold on, 'cause you're in for one hell of a ride!!

 

[komatsuvarna]

That is kinda high for the little bottles of ultra. I bought 2 six packs of 2 gallon mix a few months back,IIRC it was about $15 bucks a six pack for the 2 gallon size premix bottles. I guess Ill just stick with it, I can get it five minutes from home, and I like it. I don't know how the other oils compare, but the ultra is really clean IMO.

 

[mdavlee]

Durand the orange bottle stuff is $6 a six pack for the 1 gallon. They've drove me to using this other stuff being a 20 mile drive and expensive. I can drive 30 miles and get it a little cheaper but I might go through there 6 times a year so it's out of the way bad. I don't know why they're so high. They are the only saw dealer from west of kingsport to morristown so I guess they can charge what they want with no competition. They do price saws good there but not the bars, chains, and oils. I think bar oil is $12 a gallon. :msp_confused:

 

[Motorsen]

Zogger have something!

Why is the chainsaw oils thinnner the competetive chainsaw oils? And yes they are. Just look at the spec sheets. And yes the chainsaw engineers know their stuff. And I am sure that they choose the oiis from a very scientific piont of wiev. Not random at all. So why are they thinner than bike oils??? Cold operation reasons? Or do the equivalent chainsaw motor not get as hot. At least not in the long run. Start stop operation?
I at least think so. Allthough that I am using a heavyer oil. Stupid maybe. But that is my convincion. So what ever that you are using as a lubricant might work the best for you.

Motorsen

 

[K&L Landscaping]

Stuhl 4-mix engines

OK, let's add another wrinkle to this mess. In my landscaping business I run a lot of Stihl 4-mix handheld units (trimmers, hedge shears, pole saws and blowers). I have used and been content with Stihl Ultra HP at 50:1 with 93 octane fuel. These 4 mix engines are prone to problems with carbon deposits. Would the synthetic "cycle" oils being discussed here offer the same resistence to carbon deposits as the Ultra HP? Again, I'm happy with the ultra but it is getting very expensive considering how much of it we burn through.

 

[wigglesworth]

I been running Blendzall green label, as a pint was give to me. I really like it. It's a castor oil, so some of y'all won't like it Sure is keepin things nice and oily, and no funky deposits to speak of. I'm not sure which Klotz I tried last, but it left some funky deposits, almost like hard plastic.

 

[mdavlee]

I haven't really noticed any carbon deposits with the original techniplate. I usually run 43.3:1 so it's not quite as much oil as the guys running 32:1.

 

[Mastermind]

Running Klotz left some funky deposits in my engines as well. I went back to HOP oil in the Poulan Synthetic bottle. I've had no problems with it.

 

[mdavlee]

Randy do you get the poulan oil at walmart?