Which Klotz?

[cowroy]

I read somewhere on here a fella said that Castrol is who made the oil for Stihl and I was thinking of trying there two stroke oil. Does anyone know if this is true cause it plainly states on the bottle that it's made for lawn and garden equipment along with dirt bikes and injected bikes. I just wasn't sure if that meant for two stroke push mowers like my old lawnboy, or chainsaws too. Anyone know?

That said, I normally don't even look at oil threads from other forum experience, but this one seems mild and civil at the moment.

 

[mdavlee]

Yeah this one has gone pretty good. I learned klotz makes a new kind of mix also. I would have not known about the lite techniplate if it weren't for Eric. It was in the rc section.

 

[rms61moparman]

I've used the Klotz Super Techniplate and the R-50 at 36:1.

Like them both but will stick with the R-50 as the Super Techniplate kinda gives me a headache in the applications where front exhaust saws throw it straight into my face.


Mike

 

[sachsmo]

It's kind of like Scag mowers and Smuckers jam.


With a name like that you better have a good product.

No offence to anyone with the surname Klotz., It's just a good old German name, kinda like Stihl.

 

[mdavlee]

I like the smell of the original techniplate. I've run it from 32:1 to 50:1.

 

[cowroy]

Here is what I was talkin about and I know they can say and put anything on paper, but it seems like a pretty extreme test.
Castrol Power RS TTS — Get the Best Performance from Your Bike

Castrol Power RS TTS 2T is an advanced, synthetic 2–stroke engine oil. Its Power Protection Formula provides protection against thermal and mechanical breakdown, allowing your engine to produce maximum power without compromising protection. Suitable for Pre Mix or Injector use.

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Features:

* Fully synthetic 2–stroke motorcycle engine oil
* Creates a tough, heat reactive layer of protection
* Designed for both oil injection and premix lubrication up to a fuel/oil ratio of 50:1
* Exceeds API TC, JASO FD, and ISO L EGD

Benefits:

* Extreme protection even at maximum RPM
* Protection against ring sticking and engine seizure
* Protection against thermal and mechanical breakdown
* Engine cleanliness and virtually smokeless exhaust

Application:

* Castrol Power RS TTS is suitable for all types of 2–stroke Japanese or European motorcycle engines running on race, leaded or unleaded gasoline. Designed for both oil injection and premix application, Castrol Power RS TTS has proven to mix readily with unleaded gasoline and remain stable over long periods of time.

 

[mweba]

On my seventh quart of Royal Purple with out issue. Been thinking about trying Klotz but I get a great price on this stuff.
Royal Purple 2-Cycle Racing Oil

 

[rms61moparman]

Here is what I was talkin about and I know they can say and put anything on paper, but it seems like a pretty extreme test.
Castrol Power RS TTS — Get the Best Performance from Your Bike

Castrol Power RS TTS 2T is an advanced, synthetic 2–stroke engine oil. Its Power Protection Formula provides protection against thermal and mechanical breakdown, allowing your engine to produce maximum power without compromising protection. Suitable for Pre Mix or Injector use.

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Features:

I never put ANY stock in these types of tests when they won't list who the other "competetors" in the test are.
They COULD have been WD-40, 3in1 oil and diesel fuel.


Mike

 

[Mastermind]

Randy do you get the poulan oil at walmart?

Yes I do. I get both styles, dino oil and synthetic. I run the dino oil for a tank or two at break in.

 

[mdavlee]

I might have to give it a try also then. I don't think I'll go tomorrow to walmart to look for it but I might on sunday when I go get groceries.

 

[paccity]

two oil threads going and no gary?:msp_confused:

 

[Anthony_Va.]

This thread is getting me to thinking about trying some other oils. I do like the R50 techniplate I'm using now but like I said before, it seems to leave a little carbon. Still the best I've used so far though. 45:1

I might try the Super techniplate or the lite.

 

[mdavlee]

I've got 12oz of original left if you want to try some of it. I'm going to hit a couple places up tomorrow and see what is available here at the bike shop.

 

[Mastermind]

This thread is getting me to thinking about trying some other oils. I do like the R50 techniplate I'm using now but like I said before, it seems to leave a little carbon. Still the best I've used so far though. 45:1

I might try the Super techniplate or the lite.

I used the Techniplate for a while. It left plastic like deposits on the piston. I think the saw engine just doesn't run hot enough to burn the oil away completely. The film of oil was great in the bottom though.

 

[Anthony_Va.]

I used the Techniplate for a while. It left plastic like deposits on the piston. I think the saw engine just doesn't run hot enough to burn the oil away completely. The film of oil was great in the bottom though.

It does seem like 550° flash may not burn up good in a saw. I havent looked into my cylinder in awhile but I've ran maybe 50-75 tanks of the stuff in my xpw and 25 or more in my 660. Maybe I need to look inside.

Mike, is the R50 techniplate I'm using now not the original? J/W, because I was thinking it was. I never was real sure though since theres so many different ones.

 

[mdavlee]

I didn't pull the 660 down before I sold it but it had about 5 gallons with klotz ran through it and I didn't see any more build up on the top of the piston than any of the saws ran with ultra. I did run all but 1 gallon at 43:1.

The original is different from the R50 and super techniplate.

 

[Stumpys Customs]

Nice to see this thread not goin south yet so I'll join in.

I've been usin Lucas semi synthietic for 4 years now @ 40:1. I buy it by the case To keep on the shelf for customers now. List price is 7.99/qt. Low smoke & very ll deposites. The only drawback for me with it is that it doesn't have allot of dye in it so it's hard to tall if the fuel is mixed.
I can also git Maxima, Klots, & a few other brands through my ATV parts distributors.
Been thinkin of tryin something different. Just aint made up my mind on what.

 

[Andyshine77]

The closest bike shop doesn't stock klotz but will order it. I can probably buy it straight from klotz cheaper than the 9.5% tax on it at home. They have a lot of belray and spectro and had maxima 927 in stock.

Belray H1R is as good as it gets and maxima 927 is pretty good as well. However to this day no other oil has produced less wear (for me) than Klotz R50. Yes it can leave some deposits on the piston crown, but knowing what I know, so what. The rings stay completely clean, the ports stay completely clean, and everything stays coated with oil, and I could see no real wear. With that said, all ester syn oils should behave this way. Maxima K2 does seem to burn a little cleaner than R 50, but I like it mostly because it doesn't have much smell and produces less smoke. The smell of Klotz can get to you. Take into consideration most of these race oils are overkill in saws, ported or not.

Oils like Klotz original techniplate and super techniplate, are really not suitable for use in anything but race applications. Racers use them mostly because they mix with nitro and alcohol, but that's really the only reason to use them IMHO.

Here is a list of the oils that I wouldn't think twice about running in a normal saw. I have personally ran all of them.

Belray H1R
Sikkolene Pro 2 SX
Klotz R50
Motul 800 off road
Maxima K2
Stihl Ultra

 

[blsnelling]

I actually burn more Bailey's WoodlandPro Synthetic than anything else anymore. After seeing it used in a stock 441 mill saw, I was sold on it. That saw still had it's limiter caps, had signs of being very hot, but not once bit of scuffing. I'm hoping Baileys has free shipping again this year. I'll be ordering another case of it if so.

 

[RiverRat2]

I might have to give it a try also then. I don't think I'll go tomorrow to walmart to look for it but I might on sunday when I go get groceries.

Hey yeah,,, you couldnt drag me in that place tomorrow with me in my Dodge 3500 CTD in 4WD Lo Lock!!!!!!

I actually burn more Bailey's WoodlandPro Synthetic than anything else anymore. After seeing it used in a stock 441 mill saw, I was sold on it. That saw still had it's limiter caps, had signs of being very hot, but not once bit of scuffing. I'm hoping Baileys has free shipping again this year. I'll be ordering another case of it if so.

I have said this before,,, I really believe that any quality synthetic oil will work fine,,, it just lubes so well,,, every saw of mine that I have run it in and have torn down for either more adjustments/tuning and just basic inspection are nice and lubed up,,, I do admit most are mixed @ 40:1 or 32:1, I find they all have been well lubed on all of the critical Rotating assembly parts,, never an oil related failure,, usually a stuck piston on a drag boat motor resulting from being too lean or a bore a little tight, or the squish band to tight as well,,, but I dont tune it,,, the driver/owner does!!!

JMHO,,, a little carbon on the piston crown doesnt hurt a thing,,, escessive carbon is a horse of a different color