661 Oil Test 32:1 vs 40:1 vs 50:1 ?

[bwalker]

Nobody asked you .............

I bet you think that gunpowder changes into a gaseous state before it ignites as well, eh ???

Yes, in fact it does, which is why magnum primers are always a good idea in cold weather and especially so with ball powders with heavy deterent coatings.
So does coal when burnt in a furnace...THIS SCIENCE STUFF IS AMAZING!

 

[Trx250r180]

How many oil companies have a break in 2 stroke oil available ? I have only seen one advertise this so far .

 

[nitehawk55]

This oil thread should be posted on bob is the oil guy forum (bitog) . The OCD is strong there with guys worried about oil type , filters , OCI's...etc.

Me , I'll just keep using Amsoil Saber at 50:1 with ethanol free Shell V-max and call it a day .

BTW , the fuel mixture atomizes when it goes through the carb venturi of a running saw . Before that mostly raw fuel is drawn by use of the choke or a primer for starting .

 

[bikemike]

We're talking about pump gas as diesel chainsaws aren't exactly common.

I want a diesel chainsaw may run all day on a pint of fuel. But i would want the turbo diesel model

 

[bwalker]

I would definitely shy away from that idea. Different base oils, different additive package, etc, etc. An oil is a calculated blend of materials. Not all components are compatible. I can't see mixing two totally different oils as a good idea. I would find this especially so for oils from different companies. Use one oil until it's gone, then switch.

This!

 

[bwalker]

This oil thread should be posted on bob is the oil guy forum (bitog) . The OCD is strong there with guys worried about oil type , filters , OCI's...etc.

Me , I'll just keep using Amsoil Saber at 50:1 with ethanol free Shell V-max and call it a day .

BTW , the fuel mixture atomizes when it goes through the carb venturi of a running saw . Before that mostly raw fuel is drawn by use of the choke or a primer for starting .

Atomized isn't vaporised. The reason fuel is atomized in a carb is so that it vaporises easier.. which it must do in order to combust.

 

[bwalker]

How many oil companies have a break in 2 stroke oil available ? I have only seen one advertise this so far .

I have never seen one. Two strokes don't really require breaking because they have roller or ball bearings. The rings do need to be seated by loading the engine properly IE don't baby the thing.

 

[bwalker]

One more on this thought.

Who knows chainsaws more than Andre? Than MM? Than Brad? Than Michael Lee? Than many others here that live breathe and use chainsaws everyday? When was the last time an Oil Manufacturer came on here or to any of us and asked our opinions? Who takes chainsaws more seriously than us and our passion/hobby?

Why would they do that given the level of knowledge on the subject the members here have. Most, but not all of the people commenting in this thread have no idea what good oil performance is.

 

[bwalker]

Reminds me of medicines. Each has it's own molecular structure and yet we mix them in our bodies per the advice of Dr.s. And those in dire straights get good results by following the prescribed dosages.

Chainsaws are way different than our bodies but in theory could be classified as the same "host" in a blended concoction.

Example: Johnny Walker Blue is my preferred Scotch, BLENDED by a Master Blender to be one of the finest elixir in the Cocktail World.

Back to oils. Red Bull, this would be a great question to your friend at BelRay! He may not sleep for days thinking H1R may be mixed with say...YamalubeR2? lol.

On the other hand mixing anything with H1R would be an improvement..

 

[Trx250r180]

I have never seen one. Two strokes don't really require breaking because they have roller or ball bearings. The rings do need to be seated by loading the engine properly IE don't baby the thing.

Seems like my saws wake up some after about 20 tanks once the bearings start to loosen up ,I wonder if this stuff would speed this process up ? May be a gimmick ,who knows ,i do like the reg mix so far though .


http://dumondetech.com/portfolio/two-stroke-break-in-storage-oil/

 

[bwalker]

Seems like my saws wake up some after about 20 tanks once the bearings start to loosen up ,I wonder if this stuff would speed this process up ? May be a gimmick ,who knows ,i do like the reg mix so far though .


http://dumondetech.com/portfolio/two-stroke-break-in-storage-oil/

I checked out their website the other day after you mentioned using it. Pretty scant on information other than some all sizzle no steak marketing. Kinda pegged my BS meter.
However, I can't say for certain if this companies products are any good.

 

[nitehawk55]

Vaporised is when you stand too close to an A bomb .
Too much over thinking going on here .

 

[bwalker]

why the hell would you make a blanket statement like this? This actually really stupid of you. Your going to give some amateur here a bad idea and they are going to have a kaboom and hurt themselves.

I've heard of re loaders doing it. The manufacturers I've tested for would never do this. One of them sends ammo all over the world and is renowned for their dangerous game ammo.

A load like this would be extremely specific to the user's particular gun. There are better ways of doing this anyway.

And most times problems with ignition or light primer strikes in the cold are due to mechanical issues.

Its not a blanket statement at all and certain manufacturers reccomend magnum primers with their powders due to the reasons I outlined. Looked in a reloading manual, ever?
Another subject in which you don't have a clue. Seeing a pattern here..
And dangerous game ammo most certainly does have magnum primers because dangerous game cartridges are..well magnums. That said magnum primers work very well in certain standard cartridges with certain powders. This isn't secret info as it in many published works. If I'm hunting in below freezing temps or using ball powders a magnum primer is used..and I not alone on this..

 

[bikemike]

Gas n oil. The final frontier. They go were no man has gone before. The journey from tanks to the turbulent voyage of ports, just to be burnt the phuck up trying to make it were all man kind survive. This is the repeated attempt that all fumes and goos try to get through. Some may make it. Much of it wont.

Stay tuned for the next episode of 50:1 mix on ur naked lady machine. Until then tune em right work em hard and keep ur chains sharp

 

[PhilMcWoody]

Reminds me of medicines. Each has it's own molecular structure and yet we mix them in our bodies per the advice of Dr.s. And those in dire straights get good results by following the prescribed dosages.

Chainsaws are way different than our bodies but in theory could be classified as the same "host" in a blended concoction.

Example: Johnny Walker Blue is my preferred Scotch, BLENDED by a Master Blender to be one of the finest elixir in the Cocktail World.

Back to oils. Red Bull, this would be a great question to your friend at BelRay! He may not sleep for days thinking H1R may be mixed with say...YamalubeR2? lol.

I'd put Talisker 10 year old in my saw and be done -- it's gonna ignite for sure, it's smooth, it's kinda oily — tastes like swimming behind and oil tanker — peaty, definitely not synthetic; almost bet it would work as well as 50:1, and no messing around with blending.

https://www.thewhiskyexchange.com/P-4837.aspx

Not sure the saw could take it without seizing up somewhere along the line, though.

 

[SCHallenger]

I've used VP T4 with good results, they also have T2 which is premixed 40:1. I would assume it has Motul oil in it like SEF.

I talked to Vp 2 days ago. They stated that they DID NOT use Motul in any of their fuels.

 

[bwalker]

that's exactly what it is and your an careless reckless irresponsible idiot for saying it here. PERIOD.

CCI says I'm right..

http://www.cci-ammunition.com/products/primers/primers.aspx?id=29

 

[KenJax Tree]

I talked to Vp 2 days ago. They stated that they DID NOT use Motul in any of their fuels.

Maybe they changed oils? Its been a while, It used to say under the FAQ they used Motul.

 

[bwalker]

I didn't say it couldn't be done. Has nothing to do with if you're right.

I said it was reckless and a bunch of other things to put it out there as a blanket statement. Which you did.

It's not a general practice at all. It's not generally accepted. It's dangerous if you don't know what your doing.

For example given in a winter situation...or any situation, I would never use large magnums in 9x25 dillon, 10mm , 45acp 45 super, 460 rowland, 40 super

on a different note - you are sooo concerned about being Right all the time. Seriously clouds your objectivity.

I didn't say it couldn't be done. Has nothing to do with if you're right.

I said it was reckless and a bunch of other things to put it out there as a blanket statement. Which you did.

It's not a general practice at all. It's not generally accepted. It's dangerous if you don't know what your doing.

For example given in a winter situation...or any situation, I would never use large magnums in 9x25 dillon, 10mm , 45acp 45 super, 460 rowland, 40 super

on a different note - you are sooo concerned about being Right all the time. Seriously clouds your objectivity.

It is very commonly done and can be done safely. Anyone who reloads knows that when components are changed you reduce your powder charges and work back up. Just about everything is dangerous if you don't know what your doing..
Are you aware that certain standard primers are.stronger than magnum primers? For instance a Winchester WLR is hotter than a Remington 91/2M based on the last primer test I saw.
You should be more concerned about being right and half this thread wouldn't exist..

 

[Marshy]

What's the next oil discussion that's going to take this thread into page 150? I thought it would be the oil cocktail idea but that was shot down quickly.

I think there needs to be a test with the Yama-lube stuff. Sounds like MM was impressed with it.