661 Oil Test 32:1 vs 40:1 vs 50:1 ?

[bwalker]

My handloading buddy uses magnum primers in his "non-magnum" 25-06. After exhausting several powders and charges he tried a magnum primer and accuracy improved tremendous with no pressure issues.

That's not uncommon at all.

 

[bwalker]

Pretty hostile comments U made previously, if U did really know that! The auditor in me is detecting things that don't add up.

What might you be referring to?

 

[bwalker]

Ron, you always have to be careful using Magnum primers in place of standard, as they will generally increase pressure. That said, cartridges with the capacity of the 06 are on the border, and I use Magnum primers in my 06 load. I have also seen them recommended for some powders in the 220 Swift.

The old Winchester Large Rifle primers he refers to (120s) used to be my favorite for all of my reloads (30-30 - 300 Win Mag). They were in between power of a standard & Magnum primer, and worked very well with just about everything. It is a shame they were discontinued, but they have not been available for years. I had a lot of loads developed with that primer that I have since had to modify.

Also keep in mind that the power of the primer varies between brands, for example the Federal 215s are generally hotter than other Magnum primers. If you are working with Max loads and don't keep this in mind, you may have problems.

Some times pressures don't increase at all when going from a standard to a magnum, sometimes they do by a small amount. It goes without saying that loads should always be worked up to.
The new WLR Primers are very hot. In fact they are stronger than certain magnums in my expiereance.

 

[bwalker]

I didn't say mag primers weren't used in dangerous game cartridges. God you twist words on purpose or your dyslexic...one of the two. Maybe you were capt. of the debate team in hs. That is the one thing I think your an expert in is redirect and manipulation of what was actually stated and or meant.

I didn't stay it couldn't be done. I said you made a foolish blanket statement. Which you did.

as for should it be done? I don't care what you do with your reloads. But it isn't common practice. And just because it's cold doesn't mean you should switch to mag primers like you eluded to.

Its very.commonly done, can be done with all cartridges including the 45acp you mentioned and CCI reccomends magnums for the cold and ball powders just like I mentioned...

 

[bwalker]

and you have the pressure test barrels to measure this? do you have any idea how much that equip costs? omg lmao

just for kicks walker ...what calibers are you shooting? ...doing this with?

Yes, I have access to pressure trace equipment from Oehler
I shoot 9mm, 45acp, 45LC, 243 win, 25-06 AI, 270 win, 280 rem, 7mm rem mag,300 win mag,300 ultra mag, 32 special, 45-70, and 375 H&H.

 

[Trx250r180]

Its just left over mixed fuel, from 2 different containers. You wouldn't add them both to one saw and go cutting ?
Would you only add one, then run it out, then add the other ?

I would not do that . Some oils do not mix together well . Whenever changing brands ,dump whatever is in the tank first before fillup .

 

[Ron660]

Ron, you always have to be careful using Magnum primers in place of standard, as they will generally increase pressure. That said, cartridges with the capacity of the 06 are on the border, and I use Magnum primers in my 06 load. I have also seen them recommended for some powders in the 220 Swift.

The old Winchester Large Rifle primers he refers to (120s) used to be my favorite for all of my reloads (30-30 - 300 Win Mag). They were in between power of a standard & Magnum primer, and worked very well with just about everything. It is a shame they were discontinued, but they have not been available for years. I had a lot of loads developed with that primer that I have since had to modify.

Also keep in mind that the power of the primer varies between brands, for example the Federal 215s are generally hotter than other Magnum primers. If you are working with Max loads and don't keep this in mind, you may have problems.

I've had blown primers in my 7STW on hot days...lowered the charge 0.5 - 1.0 but the accuracy went down slightly. My Kreiger barrrel likes HOT loads.

 

[Moparmyway]

I would not do that . Some oils do not mix together well . Whenever changing brands ,dump whatever is in the tank first before fillup .

Do you have any specific thoughts on which ones ............... just thoughts or what you had heard ?

Also,
did you catch that VP is not using any Motul in their SEF fuels ?
Maybe it is Lucas in their 50:1 after all ???????

 

[bwalker]

pressure test equip - sure ya do. bet ya have a test barrel for all those calibers to. lol

I asked... ah fck this. waste of time and off subject.

The pressure transducers attach to the outside of the barrel. So you don't need a test barrel for personal use.
The sytem.is a Oehler 43 and it cost about 1300 bucks ten years ago when friend purchased it.
However, to be honest I seldom bother with it any more as velocity is an.indication of pressure and you can certainly use a chronograph like a oehler 35p to determine safe loads.

 

[bwalker]

I've had blown primers in my 7STW on hot days...lowered the charge 0.5 - 1.0 but the accuracy went down slightly. My Kreiger barrrel likes HOT loads.

No warts in a Krieger. Haven on on my 25-06 Ackley Improved.
However, lately I have been using Rock Creek cut rifled tunes as they will contour them much smaller than Krieger. I like to hunt elk and weight matters in the mountains.

 

[bwalker]

pressure test equip - sure ya do. bet ya have a test barrel for all those calibers to. lol

I asked... ah fck this. waste of time and off subject.

Its a waste of time for you because you like the expiereance and knowledge..just like you do with chainsaws..

 

[bwalker]

I've had blown primers in my 7STW on hot days...lowered the charge 0.5 - 1.0 but the accuracy went down slightly. My Kreiger barrrel likes HOT loads.

I also try to use jnly Hodgson extreme, temp insensitive powders. Retumbo would be good in the STW.

 

[Trx250r180]

Do you have any specific thoughts on which ones ............... just thoughts or what you had heard ?

Also,
did you catch that VP is not using any Motul in their SEF fuels ?
Maybe it is Lucas in their 50:1 after all ???????

Do you have any specific thoughts on which ones ............... just thoughts or what you had heard ?

Also,
did you catch that VP is not using any Motul in their SEF fuels ?
Maybe it is Lucas in their 50:1 after all ???????

I know esters and castors not supposed to mix ,so 927 and h1r is a no no ,most labels are not marked clear enough on what they are made of ,like semi synthetic ,What is the semi part ? Synthetic what ?I am sure some will mix fine ,but why take the chance ?

 

[MustangMike]

As I previously stated, the old Winchester LR primers (120s) were in between a standard and magnum and were good for about everything. Now they have a standard LR primer, which is not as hot and a Magnum primer, which is hotter.

Using the Magnum primer in my old loads often results in too much pressure, and using the standard primers often results in lower velocities and less accuracy.

I do miss those old 120 primers, and my one Hornady Reloading Manual said it was the best primer they found for loads in the 300 Win Mag.

I had developed a lot of great shooting loads in several calibers based on that primer, and it really upset me when they discontinued it.

 

[maulhead]

I will be going to the GTG


So, T-minus 24hrs to the stock 661 vs ported 661 show down !!!!!!!!!!

should be interesting


bought a 100' roll of 3/8ths RS and a roll of .404 RS hopefully it shows up today as promised.

If so we can do some vids of various saws against various saws. ( Bringing all my bars. )

I'm glad you decided to come for the showdown,,

I'm thinking I will need to change my avatar, when I return from Iowa

 

[Ron660]

I also try to use jnly Hodgson extreme, temp insensitive powders. Retumbo would be good in the STW.

7828 but trying H-1000 & Retumbo now in the STW also in my other Krieger barreled (#8 contour w/ 1:8.5 twist) 264 Mag.

 

[cuttinties]

Ammunition thread now?

 

[redfin]

Ammunition thread now?

Why not? Seems as though so many others turn into an oil thread.

 

[Ron660]

I'm glad you decided to come for the showdown,,

I'm thinking I will need to change my avatar, when I return from Iowa

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Looks like an experiment with Testosterone

 

[Ron660]

Why not? Seems as though so many others turn into an oil thread.

Knife thread