661 Oil Test 32:1 vs 40:1 vs 50:1 ?

[nitehawk55]

This was a post on bitog about Yamalube.......

Yamalube is made by CITGO (cities services oil company).. The packaging facility is on 39th and cicero in Chicago ( a few miles from my home)....2nd,,, Yamalube comes from the EXACT SAME ZILLION GALLON TANK AS DOES at least a DOXEN other brands of 2 stroke oil.... 3rd.. Yamaha does NOT have an oil refining or packaging company , 4th Yamaha buys their oil from the LOWEST BIDDER... They come up with a specification such as TC-W or JASO and the oil MANUFACTURING companies meet their specifications and submit their bids to YAMAHA.... YAMAHA in turn, contracts the LOWEST BIDDER in the demographic area that they market the oil in.... If you live anywhere near CHICAGO,,,The YAMALUBE comes from a zillion gallon VAT on 39th and cicero..... You could buy K mart or wal mart or farm and fleet 2 stroke oil and get the EXACT SAME OIL that is in the Yamalube bottle for HALF THE PRICE... Yamaha doesn't open up the caps and THROW ANY MAGIC POWDER in the gallons of oil when they come from citgo.... Sometimes they come directly from citgo and the yamaha warehouse NEVER EVEN SEE the cases!!!!! I know first hand because a friend of mine who WORKED for CITGO for 25 years used to bring me botles of TEXACO 2 stroke oil..... YES TEXACO 2 stroke oil and you know what???? He got it from CITGO where he worked!!!!!! and furthermore, citgo doesn't open up the bottles and throw the MAJUC POWDER FROM THE YAMAHA CHEMICAL PLANT to make YAMALUBE work better...... Heres another little TIDBIT for you guys,,,,,, The next time you go to pep boys or auto zone or murrays aoto,,, look and see just how many different kinds of ANTI FREEZE there are...... ARE YOU READY FOR THIS ONE???????????? THERE'S ONLY 2 COMPANIES IN AMERICA THAT MAKE ETHYLENE GLYCOL ANTI FREEZE.......... 20 brands,,,,,,,20 COMPANIES!!!!! BOTTOM LINE,,, MY VIPERS (2) and my sxr all use KLOTZ,,, My power valves are clean... My girlfriend has a viper,, her powervalves ALWAYS DIRTY!!!!!1 she drives my sled,,,, DIRTY POWERVALVES.... SHE drives a snowmobile like a FARM TRACTOR.. I drive a sled like I stole it!!!!! With MY SLEDS,,,,,, It's not about the oil!!!!!!! I use KLOTZ!!!! FAR superior to ANYTHING CITGO MAKES!!!!! there you have it!!!!"

You have to LOL at the seriousness of the post , I like the magic powder comment .
This is common on bitog , this thread on AS is not far behind .
I do agree that many brands of oil come from one supplier and not likely much difference except the packaging .

 

[bwalker]

This was a post on bitog about Yamalube.......

Yamalube is made by CITGO (cities services oil company).. The packaging facility is on 39th and cicero in Chicago ( a few miles from my home)....2nd,,, Yamalube comes from the EXACT SAME ZILLION GALLON TANK AS DOES at least a DOXEN other brands of 2 stroke oil.... 3rd.. Yamaha does NOT have an oil refining or packaging company , 4th Yamaha buys their oil from the LOWEST BIDDER... They come up with a specification such as TC-W or JASO and the oil MANUFACTURING companies meet their specifications and submit their bids to YAMAHA.... YAMAHA in turn, contracts the LOWEST BIDDER in the demographic area that they market the oil in.... If you live anywhere near CHICAGO,,,The YAMALUBE comes from a zillion gallon VAT on 39th and cicero..... You could buy K mart or wal mart or farm and fleet 2 stroke oil and get the EXACT SAME OIL that is in the Yamalube bottle for HALF THE PRICE... Yamaha doesn't open up the caps and THROW ANY MAGIC POWDER in the gallons of oil when they come from citgo.... Sometimes they come directly from citgo and the yamaha warehouse NEVER EVEN SEE the cases!!!!! I know first hand because a friend of mine who WORKED for CITGO for 25 years used to bring me botles of TEXACO 2 stroke oil..... YES TEXACO 2 stroke oil and you know what???? He got it from CITGO where he worked!!!!!! and furthermore, citgo doesn't open up the bottles and throw the MAJUC POWDER FROM THE YAMAHA CHEMICAL PLANT to make YAMALUBE work better...... Heres another little TIDBIT for you guys,,,,,, The next time you go to pep boys or auto zone or murrays aoto,,, look and see just how many different kinds of ANTI FREEZE there are...... ARE YOU READY FOR THIS ONE???????????? THERE'S ONLY 2 COMPANIES IN AMERICA THAT MAKE ETHYLENE GLYCOL ANTI FREEZE.......... 20 brands,,,,,,,20 COMPANIES!!!!! BOTTOM LINE,,, MY VIPERS (2) and my sxr all use KLOTZ,,, My power valves are clean... My girlfriend has a viper,, her powervalves ALWAYS DIRTY!!!!!1 she drives my sled,,,, DIRTY POWERVALVES.... SHE drives a snowmobile like a FARM TRACTOR.. I drive a sled like I stole it!!!!! With MY SLEDS,,,,,, It's not about the oil!!!!!!! I use KLOTZ!!!! FAR superior to ANYTHING CITGO MAKES!!!!! there you have it!!!!"

Hate to break it to you, but Yamalube isn't made by citgo. It's blended by Spectrum.
It's also superior to anything Klotz blends...and by a long shot. And that post was made by a complete moron..as 2R wasn't produced in Chicago. IIRC it was made in OK.

 

[bwalker]

lol whatever man

your response is so "telling" sheesh.

Yes, it is. Telling that yet again you don't know what the hell you are talking about....

 

[Moparmyway]

Atomized isn't vaporised. .

At least you are on the right track

The reason fuel is atomized in a carb is so that it vaporises easier.. which it must do in order to combust.

Way off track !!!!!
Lets see .......... so "How stuff works" and "Explain that" are wrong too ?
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/engine1.htm
http://www.explainthatstuff.com/how-carburetors-work.html

 

[Pud]

Does anyone else just use chainsaw oil ?

 

[Moparmyway]

What's the next oil discussion that's going to take this thread into page 150? I thought it would be the oil cocktail idea but that was shot down quickly.

I think there needs to be a test with the Yama-lube stuff. Sounds like MM was impressed with it.

Hey .......... maybe we alter it a little ?

I have about 6 oz of R50 with VP and I have 6oz of 800 off road with VP, each in their own fuel can @ 32:1.

Is there anything wrong with putting the two 6 oz mixes together into my chainsaw fuel tank, that holds 16 oz, (so I have 12 oz or a 75% full tank) to cut with ?

 

[redbull660]

I will be going to the GTG


So, T-minus 24hrs to the stock 661 vs ported 661 show down !!!!!!!!!!

should be interesting


bought a 100' roll of 3/8ths RS and a roll of .404 RS hopefully it shows up today as promised.

If so we can do some vids of various saws against various saws. ( Bringing all my bars. )

 

[bwalker]

At least you are on the right track

Way off track !!!!!
Lets see .......... so "How stuff works" and "Explain that" are wrong too ?
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/engine1.htm
http://www.explainthatstuff.com/how-carburetors-work.html

I would challenge you to point out were I am off track... hint..I'm not.

 

[blsnelling]

Lol

 

[Moparmyway]

I would challenge you to point out were I am off track....

Well Capt Obvious, I have already pointed it out several times and provided links for your reading enjoyment.
I have enjoyed your little game, but wont be playing anymore.

 

[bwalker]

Well Capt Obvious, I have already pointed it out several times and provided links for your reading enjoyment.
I have enjoyed your little game, but wont be playing anymore.

What you have pointed out was a bunch of garbage that is factually not true. GOOD! This board doesn't need any more hair brained theories that are false.

 

[Marshy]

Hey .......... maybe we alter it a little ?

I have about 6 oz of R50 with VP and I have 6oz of 800 off road with VP, each in their own fuel can @ 32:1.

Is there anything wrong with putting the two 6 oz mixes together into my chainsaw fuel tank, that holds 16 oz, (so I have 12 oz or a 75% full tank) to cut with ?

I'd try it. I highly doubt it would have an adverse effect.

 

[blsnelling]

Why mix? What's to be gained? I don't think we're going to outsmart the chemist that designed the oil.

 

[Moparmyway]

Why mix? What's to be gained? I don't think we're going to outsmart the chemist that designed the oil.

Its just left over mixed fuel, from 2 different containers. You wouldn't add them both to one saw and go cutting ?
Would you only add one, then run it out, then add the other ?

 

[bwalker]

Why mix? What's to be gained? I don't think we're going to outsmart the chemist that designed the oil.

That's my opinion as well.

 

[Andyshine77]

Hate to break it to you, but Yamalube isn't made by citgo. It's blended by Spectrum.
It's also superior to anything Klotz blends...and by a long shot. And that post was made by a complete moron..as 2R wasn't produced in Chicago. IIRC it was made in OK.

It was made by Citgo, it is now made by Spectrum. Has the formula changed? It is very likely.

 

[bwalker]

It was made by Citgo, it is now made by Spectrum. Has the formula changed? It is very likely.

I haven't noticed any change in years..smell, specs etc. The fact is its a very good oil regardless of who makes it.
I know Citgo produced it till maybe the last few years(IIRC in OK). In the past Chevron made it. It's always been a good oil.

 

[Ron660]

Its not a blanket statement at all and certain manufacturers reccomend magnum primers with their powders due to the reasons I outlined. Looked in a reloading manual, ever?
Another subject in which you don't have a clue. Seeing a pattern here..
And dangerous game ammo most certainly does have magnum primers because dangerous game cartridges are..well magnums. That said magnum primers work very well in certain standard cartridges with certain powders. This isn't secret info as it in many published works. If I'm hunting in below freezing temps or using ball powders a magnum primer is used..and I not alone on this..

My handloading buddy uses magnum primers in his "non-magnum" 25-06. After exhausting several powders and charges he tried a magnum primer and accuracy improved tremendous with no pressure issues.

 

[MustangMike]

Pretty hostile comments U made previously, if U did really know that! The auditor in me is detecting things that don't add up.

 

[MustangMike]

Ron, you always have to be careful using Magnum primers in place of standard, as they will generally increase pressure. That said, cartridges with the capacity of the 06 are on the border, and I use Magnum primers in my 06 load. I have also seen them recommended for some powders in the 220 Swift.

The old Winchester Large Rifle primers he refers to (120s) used to be my favorite for all of my reloads (30-30 - 300 Win Mag). They were in between power of a standard & Magnum primer, and worked very well with just about everything. It is a shame they were discontinued, but they have not been available for years. I had a lot of loads developed with that primer that I have since had to modify.

Also keep in mind that the power of the primer varies between brands, for example the Federal 215s are generally hotter than other Magnum primers. If you are working with Max loads and don't keep this in mind, you may have problems.