661 Oil Test 32:1 vs 40:1 vs 50:1 ?

[redbull660]

wtf - saw was running 32:1 H1R. We switched it to 40:1. It improved and was equal to another porter's 661 running 32:1 ultra. what is the problem? The saw was running to much oil. Belray said it themselves....to much oil can slow down the piston. How in the hell can you not make the connection? It's clear as day!

There is more actual oil in the bottle of H1R. you can see this via the MSDS's.

You dump in 4oz of belray and 4oz of yamalube...there is MORE oil in the belray. With all these 2T's you will reach a point where you have to much actual oil in the mix and it slows down the piston. Where that is with the others I don't know. I know with belray H1R it's some where around 32:1.

Good god. This isn't that hard!

 

[bwalker]

If you can't see where you're making assumptions and drawing conclusions without having tested what you're saying, then this conversation is pretty pointless. Sorry. I've tried to help you understand how you could make this better, but it seems to be falling on deaf ears.

The guys a stone..there is no use.
the only thing he has done has been to provide more anecdotal evidence that H1R is garbage oil.

 

[blsnelling]

wtf - saw was running 32:1 H1R. We switched it to 40:1. It improved and was equal to another porter's 661 running 32:1 ultra. what is the problem? The saw was running to much oil. Belray said it themselves....to much oil can slow down the piston. How in the hell can you not make the connection? It's clear as day!

There is more actual oil in the bottle of H1R. you can see this via the MSDS's.

You dump in 4oz of belray and 4oz of yamalube...there is MORE oil in the belray. With all these 2T's you will reach a point where you have to much actual oil in the mix and it slows down the piston. Where that is with the others I don't know. I know with belray H1R it's some where around 32:1.

Good god. This isn't that hard!

You're assuming that it's because there's too much oil. Until you have tested additional oils, you simply do not know that. If other high viscosity ester oils have the same affect, then you have proven something. You haven't performed that testing yet, so are there for making assumptions and drawing conclusions that you simply do not know to be true.

 

[bwalker]

wtf - saw was running 32:1 H1R. We switched it to 40:1. It improved and was equal to another porter's 661 running 32:1 ultra. what is the problem? The saw was running to much oil. Belray said it themselves....to much oil can slow down the piston. How in the hell can you not make the connection? It's clear as day!

There is more actual oil in the bottle of H1R. you can see this via the MSDS's.

You dump in 4oz of belray and 4oz of yamalube...there is MORE oil in the belray. With all these 2T's you will reach a point where you have to much actual oil in the mix and it slows down the piston. Where that is with the others I don't know. I know with belray H1R it's some where around 32:1.

Good god. This isn't that hard!

With a good oil there is no such thing as too much oil down to 16:1. Migration times and load determine the optimal oil ratio, not the oil itself. And Mercury Marine, Gordon Jennings and others have documented that more oil=more power.
And H1R is designed for an application, mx bikes, that spec 32:1 ratios. Are you telling me the oil won't wprk on the application it's marketed toward?
The problem with H1R isn't the amount of oil it's the fact it does weird things to conbustion, just as you found out, just as I have observed, just as Andre has observed and just as the Ultra light test referenced earlier proved.
Beyond that, it's dirty burning crap. T
It really has zero redeeming qualities.

 

[bwalker]

You're assuming that it's because there's too much oil. Until you have tested additional oils, you simply do not know that. If other high viscosity ester oils have the same affect, then you have proven something. You haven't performed that testing yet, so are there for making assumptions and drawing conclusions that you simply do not know to be true.

And even then you would only prove that the his saw doesn't run good on that ratio. You could not determine why based on these totaly un scientific BS tests.

 

[blsnelling]

Let me demonstrate my point. The very same tests and results that you are using to try and prove that the results with H1-R prove that it's simply too much oil, could also be used to try and prove that it significantly inhibits combustion and performance. Because you are fixated on proving it to be such a great oil, you don't seem to see this. You think you're being unbiased, but you are not. Again, until you have tested other oils, you cannot draw any conclusions.

 

[redbull660]

With a good oil there is no such thing as too much oil down to 16:1. Migration times and load determine the optimal oil ratio, not the oil itself. And Mercury Marine, Gordon Jennings and others have documented that more oil=more power.
And H1R is designed for an application, mx bikes, that spec 32:1 ratios. Are you telling me the oil won't wprk on the application it's marketed toward?
The problem with H1R isn't the amount of oil it's the fact it does weird things to conbustion, just as you found out, just as I have observed, just as Andre has observed and just as the Ultra light test referenced earlier proved.
Beyond that, it's dirty burning crap. T
It really has zero redeeming qualities.

So I could run yamalube, lucas, 710, 800, r50 at 16:1 in my saw and it would perform the same as 32:1?

 

[bwalker]

Let me demonstrate my point. The very same tests and results that you are using to try and prove that the results with H1-R prove that it's simply too much oil, could also be used to try and prove that it significantly inhibits combustion and performance. Because you are fixated on proving it to be such a great oil, you don't seem to see this. You think you're being unbiased, but you are not. Again, until you have tested other oils, you cannot draw any conclusions.

Exactly! And if it's happening at 32:1, it's happening at 50: 1 to a lesser degree.

 

[bwalker]

So I could run yamalube, lucas, 710, 800, r50 at 16:1 in my saw and it would perform the same as 32:1?

I know yamalube runs fine at 16:1 as does 800 as its commonly used at that ratio in shifter karts.
I have ran 2R down to 20:1 with excellant results.
I can't comment on the others. And I can't comment on your saw, given the Mtronic setup.

 

[redbull660]

I know yamalube runs fine at 16:1 as does 800 as its commonly used at that ratio in shifter karts.
I have ran 2R down to 20:1 with excellant results.
I can't comment on the others. And I can't comment on your saw, given the Mtronic setup.

ok fine the 660 and motul 800 at 16:1 vs 32:1. fair enough?

 

[bwalker]

Redbull, are you running your saws commercially?

 

[bwalker]

ok fine the 660 and motul 800 at 16:1 vs 32:1. fair enough?

From what I gather your saw likely wont compensate for 16:1, so just run them all at 32:1.

 

[big t double]

....It's like saying all dish soaps are the same and will deliver the same quality of cleaning using the same amount.

Exactly! Every one knows Dawn is the best...any one that says any different is just a hack wannabe dishwasher. Palmolive...pshhh

 

[bwalker]

660 is regular adjustable carb. not mtronic.

Run em all at 16:1 then.

 

[redbull660]

Or it might just inhibit combudtion because it's garbage.
Many other QUALITY oils run good down to 16:1 including 800 which is a similar viscosity.

For this entire thread you've said H1R is trash or garbage or inhibits combustion or burns dirty.

please explain how it inhibits combustion. Detailed answer. ...for all of us.

Run em all at 16:1 then.

I can't believe u think that is ok to do.

 

[bwalker]

Exactly! Every one knows Dawn is the best...any one that says any different is just a hack wannabe dishwasher. Palmolive...pshhh

Clearly they are not all the same. And clearly h1r is garbage...

 

[bwalker]

For this entire thread you've said H1R is trash or garbage or inhibits combustion or burns dirty.

please explain how it inhibits combustion. Detailed answer. ...for all of us.

It doesn't matter how...it does.Your own testing proves it anecdotaly as does the ultralight test...

 

[redbull660]

It doesn't matter how...it does.Your own testing proves it anecdotaly as does the ultralight test...

gawd your such a little troll... I can't believe you've convinced Brad and likely others, that it H1R inhibits combustion with out providing some sort of scientific reasoning.


So let's just be clear...

So if H1R provided the same protection and the same performance at 40:1 as another oil at 32:1, THEREFORE some how H1R inhibits combustion?

Not that it is purer (more actual oil in the bottle) and you need to pour less h1r to do the same job... like I say?

 

[big t double]

Clearly they are not all the same. And clearly h1r is garbage...

Very true...I would never wash my dishes with h1r. Like I said...it's dawn or nothing.

 

[bwalker]

gawd your such a little troll... I can't believe you've convinced Brad and likely others, that it H1R inhibits combustion with out providing some sort of scientific reasoning.


So let's just be clear...

So if H1R provided the same protection and the same performance at 40:1 as another oil at 32:1, THEREFORE some how H1R inhibits combustion?

Not that it is purer (more actual oil in the bottle) and you need to pour less h1r to do the same job... like I say?

Your the only moron left that can't see it...