661 Oil Test 32:1 vs 40:1 vs 50:1 ?

[Deleted member 83629]

i thought laminated bars were light?

 

[KG441c]

I bet that Stihl bar feels lonely surrounded by all those Canadian and Japanese bars.

Ill take the Canadian any day of the week but the es light balances perfect on the 461r

 

[KG441c]

any word on cannon's lightweight bars yet?

Cannon Pres told me Oct. But who knows

 

[Deleted member 83629]

any oil snobs want to try super tech outboard at 32:1 for a week????????

 

[bwalker]

any oil snobs want to try super tech outboard at 32:1 for a week????????

NO!

 

[smokey7]

Ok so i have to change my mind on lucas fd oil. I have ran 4 qts of it thru 2 of my saws a poulas 3314 42cc strato and echo 452vl at 32:1 with 89 no ethanol. It burns real clean but my pistons look real dry with little oil on them. I didnt believe redbull when he said thats how it looked on his saw. I had to pull a couple mufflers and see for myself. They are dry as a popcorn fart. So i am done with it for now, gotta find something else.

 

[bwalker]

Ok so i have to change my mind on lucas fd oil. I have ran 4 qts of it thru 2 of my saws a poulas 3314 42cc strato and echo 452vl at 32:1 with 89 no ethanol. It burns real clean but my pistons look real dry with little oil on them. I didnt believe redbull when he said thats how it looked on his saw. I had to pull a couple mufflers and see for myself. They are dry as a popcorn fart. So i am done with it for now, gotta find something else.

What is dry?

 

[smokey7]

The mufflers on both are dry and tan. The pistons and cylinders are very dry with a very very light film of oil. Not what im used to atall. I am not happy, no damage but not enough oil. I ran it on these two saws because it was a strato and non strato that were not expensive saws.

 

[bwalker]

The mufflers on both are dry and tan. The pistons and cylinders are very dry with a very very light film of oil. Not what im used to atall. I am not happy, no damage but not enough oil. I ran it on these two saws because it was a strato and non strato that were not expensive saws.

That's how they should look if you have proper combustion. I can not figure out why some think it's a good idea to spew un burnt and partially burnt oil out the exhaust? A wet muffler is a sign of poor tuning, crappy oil or the wrong oil for the application you are using it in.

 

[smokey7]

I agree somewhat with you. I think it burns very clean, even cleaning out some old deposits. The p&c are so dry that i can barely wet my finger tip or leave a wipe mark on the piston or cyl. I agree that it should be tan and dry in muffler just like to see a bit more oil. I wonder how it would do at 24:1? I dont want to waste 2 qts so i am to try that before i switch. I do run them pretty hard, and want to see more oil. I am a little too cheap to pay much more then $10 a qt and has to be available. I gotta try and take pics to show it. I think my tune is pretty sharp too.

 

[bwalker]

I agree somewhat with you. I think it burns very clean, even cleaning out some old deposits. The p&c are so dry that i can barely wet my finger tip or leave a wipe mark on the piston or cyl. I agree that it should be tan and dry in muffler just like to see a bit more oil. I wonder how it would do at 24:1? I dont want to waste 2 qts so i am to try that before i switch. I do run them pretty hard, and want to see more oil. I am a little too cheap to pay much more then $10 a qt and has to be available. I gotta try and take pics to show it. I think my tune is pretty sharp too.

You will be fine at 32:1 IMO. Short of milling I don't think 24:1 is required.

 

[smokey7]

Also it takes much longer to color the plug. To the point you tune richer in fear you are lean. I have never had a plug take much more then 5 or 10 min to read. This stuff takes almost a tank to get a read at the base of white inside the plug.

 

[bwalker]

I agree somewhat with you. I think it burns very clean, even cleaning out some old deposits. The p&c are so dry that i can barely wet my finger tip or leave a wipe mark on the piston or cyl. I agree that it should be tan and dry in muffler just like to see a bit more oil. I wonder how it would do at 24:1? I dont want to waste 2 qts so i am to try that before i switch. I do run them pretty hard, and want to see more oil. I am a little too cheap to pay much more then $10 a qt and has to be available. I gotta try and take pics to show it. I think my tune is pretty sharp too.

You will be fine at 32:1 IMO. Short of milling I don't think 24:1 is required.

 

[bwalker]

Also it takes much longer to color the plug. To the point you tune richer in fear you are lean. I have never had a plug take much more then 5 or 10 min to read. This stuff takes almost a tank to get a read at the base of white inside the plug.

Reading plugs that way is nearly useless. Get yourself a tac or use the cut and feel method.
Sounds like you are not accustomed to oil that burns clean.

 

[smokey7]

You seem quite confident. Can you show me a muffler and piston you are proud of so i can compare them to mine.

 

[bwalker]

You seem quite confident. Can you show me a muffler and piston you are proud of so i can compare them to mine.

I posted one earlier in this thread of my 562 muffler.

 

[smokey7]

You are right with that. I have tried tons of oil. Ran tons of 2 smokes, i have gotten way more nuts about it after i started modding a few years ago. Do you remember what page i dont want to go back thru them all. Thank you.

 

[smokey7]

I suppose to clear up my position i love how clean lucas runs, i just dont like seeing so little residual oil film. What do you think causes that. Thin starting viscosity, too lean tune, that's how it should be, or something else. I guess looking at the bottom end would comfort me some too. I know when i have run other oils i have had a wet oil.coated surfaces on p&c. I am looking for advice of a oil that would offer the results i am looking for in my price and availabity requirements.

 

[bwalker]

I suppose to clear up my position i love how clean lucas runs, i just dont like seeing so little residual oil film. What do you think causes that. Thin starting viscosity, too lean tune, that's how it should be, or something else. I guess looking at the bottom end would comfort me some too. I know when i have run other oils i have had a wet oil.coated surfaces on p&c. I am looking for advice of a oil that would offer the results i am looking for in my price and availabity requirements.

Residual oil is a product of oil ratio. If your running 32:1 I wouldn't worry about it.

 

[bwalker]

You are right with that. I have tried tons of oil. Ran tons of 2 smokes, i have gotten way more nuts about it after i started modding a few years ago. Do you remember what page i dont want to go back thru them all. Thank you.

Sorry, I dont.