661 Oil Test 32:1 vs 40:1 vs 50:1 ?

[KG441c]

Ok so i have to change my mind on lucas fd oil. I have ran 4 qts of it thru 2 of my saws a poulas 3314 42cc strato and echo 452vl at 32:1 with 89 no ethanol. It burns real clean but my pistons look real dry with little oil on them. I didnt believe redbull when he said thats how it looked on his saw. I had to pull a couple mufflers and see for myself. They are dry as a popcorn fart. So i am done with it for now, gotta find something else.

What did the bottom end look like?

 

[Moparmyway]

I suppose to clear up my position i love how clean lucas runs, i just dont like seeing so little residual oil film. What do you think causes that. Thin starting viscosity, too lean tune, that's how it should be, or something else. I guess looking at the bottom end would comfort me some too. I know when i have run other oils i have had a wet oil.coated surfaces on p&c. I am looking for advice of a oil that would offer the results i am looking for in my price and availabity requirements.

How did the rings and the ring lands look ?
Can you snap a picture of them for us ?

 

[smokey7]

Ok so i got pics of the 452vl. Keep in mind it was way dirtier before i started using lucas from previous owner. I dont want to break it down if i dont have to

 

[KG441c]

What was ran in it previous to the Lucas?

 

[smokey7]

I really dont know i got it with a cracked fuel line and brown gas in it (not varnished). It very well could have been motor oil. I started it on some penzoil air cooled about 2 qts, then 4 qts lucas. So what is the verdict from the pros, i suppose some cuts are near milling time from using this when i should have brought the 630. Some cuts are over a minute or two.

 

[smokey7]

Are you speaking of how my saw looked at 32:1?

 

[Moparmyway]

I really dont know i got it with a cracked fuel line and brown gas in it (not varnished). It very well could have been motor oil. I started it on some penzoil air cooled about 2 qts, then 4 qts lucas. So what is the verdict from the pros, i suppose some cuts are near milling time from using this when i should have brought the 630. Some cuts are over a minute or two.

That piston and its ring lands are ugly
For me, its too lean and could use more fuel. (going by the pic of the muffler)
Cant tell how much or how little oil is in the ring lands .............. that lets me know that there isnt enough oil

I dont mind a little oil in the muffler, and I dont like a white exhaust.
Thats 2 strikes in my book

 

[redbull660]

Ok so i have to change my mind on lucas fd oil. I have ran 4 qts of it thru 2 of my saws a poulas 3314 42cc strato and echo 452vl at 32:1 with 89 no ethanol. It burns real clean but my pistons look real dry with little oil on them. I didnt believe redbull when he said thats how it looked on his saw. I had to pull a couple mufflers and see for myself. They are dry as a popcorn fart. So i am done with it for now, gotta find something else.

I expected my saw to look how it did, running 50:1 lucas, not 32:1. I expected way more oil at that rich of a ratio. (32:1)

I guess I thought if it looks that bad at 32:1, I don't want to even think about 50:1 !!! (what Lucas recommended when I contacted them)

IMO it(my saw) should have had more oil...a lot more oil given I was at 32:1.


Is Lucas a bad oil? I dunno. I didn't like how it looked in my saw....even at 32:1.

Are there better choices for the same price? Very very likely.

Are you speaking of how my saw looked at 32:1?

mine... and I guess from your above comment yours....it sounds like you would have expected more oil as well vs what your used to. What do you normally run?

 

[redbull660]

I wouldnt judge Lucas by one saw. U have folks like cuttinties and Kenjax using it everyday and like it

Not saying it's garbage. Or it can't be used at 32:1. But come on if you've got to use it at 32:1 ratio to get just "ok" effects.

My bottom line is this thread is meant to find the best oil. I'm not saying it's H1R. We have to test a bunch to find out.

But IMO lucas isn't even close to the "best". I mean...heck, I'd bet money that 2R outperforms Lucas and 2R is the same price!

 

[Deleted member 83629]

i use a gallon jug of lucas 2t every 6 week burning 5 gallons per week of lucas at 32:1 i dont have a problem.

 

[smokey7]

I have used yamalube 2r and even back when it was just yamalube with no other letters or numbers, amsoil saber, itsaca penzoil, blue marble klotz r50, and many more. Ran them anywhere from 20:1 to 50:1 with varying residual, and would adjust ratio to get what i wanted for the application.

 

[KenJax Tree]

I think I'll go by what i've seen first hand myself and what Hedgerow and Mdavlee have to say.

 

[Moparmyway]

I think I'll go by what i've seen first hand myself and what Hedgerow and Mdavlee have to say.

I agree ................ and I also keep in mind that carb tuning plays a big role in whats seen through the exhaust port and muffler

 

[KG441c]

I wouldnt judge Lucas by one saw. U have folks like cuttinties and Kenjax using it and like it

 

[KenJax Tree]

Matt (Hedgerow) uses it at 40:1 so i'm getting even more oil using 32:1.

 

[redbull660]

Mtronic is optimal tune right? So at optimal tune it did what it did.

Carb'd you can make it look better than it is.

 

[KG441c]

Mtronic is optimal tune right? So at optimal tune it did what it did.

Carb'd you can make it look better than it is.

Jetting may be required on some mtronics /autotune saws to run 32:1?

 

[smokey7]

I dont argue i am tuned sharp. I learned from racers of bikes sleds and skis. I may have to adjust for saws. The weird thing is my strato poulanthats tweaked was coated well At 32:1 .

 

[KenJax Tree]

Optimal according to who? My autotune saws run a little leaner than i would like...but it is what it is.

 

[KG441c]

IMO its a mistake to classify these oils by viscosity and trying to tune by ratio. Bottomline for me is we are only looking at the topend and performance. I run 32to1 mostly for bottomend residual. If u go higher in ratio the bottomend will suffer especially on ported saws