661 Oil Test 32:1 vs 40:1 vs 50:1 ?

[bwalker]

well we would get 1781 inches of snow then. 1 inch of rain = 13 inches of snow
tanks

That would depend on the area. The lake effect snow we get is very heavy and wet compared to what they get in a place like the rocky mountains.

 

[Bwildered]

Yes, it is. The Average guy doesn't know what the falex test is used for, so it's misleading and deceptive to use it to hawk oils.
And it's the same thing with listing standards in their marketing that they are not certified to with no qualifiers. Some one looks at it and actually thinks they are certified.

if they had done some thing legally deceptive they would have been penalised for it & that would be on public record if it was so, so if you'd like to produce some evidence it would be nice instead of opinion.

 

[Bwildered]

That would depend on the area. The lake effect snow we get is very heavy and wet compared to what they get in a place like the rocky mountains.

it would still a be a lot of snow in anybodies language what ever average is used.
you fellows couldn't imagine it, up to 800mm ( 31 inches ) of rain in 4 hrs

 

[Bwildered]

A few years ago I read a article on how the Murray - Darling basin was going dry. I assume your near this area?

no thats inland & mainly dry savannah country

 

[blsnelling]

Why would anyone use TC-W3 in any chainsaw, let alone a ported $2000 saw? I mean, the manual specifically says not to. How much more reason do you need? I don't care who uses it. I see no reason to try and prove general knowledge as wrong, especially when there are so many fantastic options available. Obviously, it's not like you're on a budget or are using 55 gallon drums of oil/year. It's not like you're in the jungle and don't have anything else. Why would you go to all the trouble and expense to test oils, if you don't care any more about your equipment than to run the one kind of oil explicitly told not to run by the manufacture? Why risk it?

 

[KenJax Tree]

How will anyone ever know which oil is the absolute best? I use Pro Honda HP2 40:1 and no idea if its appropriate to run in a saw. Trial and error i guess.

 

[mdavlee]

As far as running, they will run on any oil, but long term deposits and wear are what I question.

I have seen pictures of the skirts of pistons, plus seen on my own from OPE that was run on TCW-3 oils ............. horrible !!
They all ran, yes ........... but there were lots of burnt crud in the rings and the skirts after the season was over and the machines were looked at.

I have seen more stuck rings from OPE that was run on TCW-3 oil in customers equipment than from anything else in my 40 years of working on this stuff.

I have seen TCW-3 oil clog up exhaust ports on lower RPM OPE as well as clog up ring lands and burn the skirts.

I have yet to see any OPE with clogged ring lands that was run on "air cooled" 2 cycle oils.

To me, if I am going to fork over any of my hard earned money for 2 cycle oil, its going to be used for purchasing something that wont throw me 2 steps backwards.

I look forward to seeing this 088 after you have a few dozen tanks through it ............. specifically, I would love to see pictures of inside the muffler looking at the ring lands and piston skirt through the exhaust port

If Scott's been running it for years it must be pretty good stuff. I'm sure he wouldn't run oil that would gum up his stuff in a short time.

 

[Deleted member 83629]

Im been running motul 800 off road and i really like it mixed at 50:1 burns clean and leaves a film of oil on the piston, ME thinks i will stick with it the bike shop has it on sale till the 1st of October. I plan to go back and get 6 more liters since the price per liter right now is 15$ i currently got 2 liters of it.

 

[bwalker]

if they had done some thing legally deceptive they would have been penalised for it & that would be on public record if it was so, so if you'd like to produce some evidence it would be nice instead of opinion.

Deceptive marketing isn't against the law. It goes on all the time!

 

[bwalker]

Why would anyone use TC-W3 in any chainsaw, let alone a ported $2000 saw? I mean, the manual specifically says not to. How much more reason do you need? I don't care who uses it. I see no reason to try and prove general knowledge as wrong, especially when there are so many fantastic options available. Obviously, it's not like you're on a budget or are using 55 gallon drums of oil/year. It's not like you're in the jungle and don't have anything else. Why would you go to all the trouble and expense to test oils, if you don't care any more about your equipment than to run the one kind of oil explicitly told not to run by the manufacture? Why risk it?

That sums up my opinion to using boat oil in a saw!

 

[bwalker]

Im been running motul 800 off road and i really like it mixed at 50:1 burns clean and leaves a film of oil on the piston, ME thinks i will stick with it the bike shop has it on sale till the 1st of October. I plan to go back and get 6 more liters since the price per liter right now is 15$ i currently got 2 liters of it.

15 a liter isn't a bad price. It's much more money here..

 

[bwalker]

How will anyone ever know which oil is the absolute best? I use Pro Honda HP2 40:1 and no idea if its appropriate to run in a saw. Trial and error i guess.

Who cares? High quality is high quality. And likely you would not find an oil that was the absolute best across all operating conditions, because twp cycle oils are always a compromise.

 

[Trx250r180]

Looked on Amsoil's site ,my take on Dominator is it is an injector oil for snowmobiles that can be used as premix in bikes also with no fuel stabilizers in the description i could see ,the Sabre cost a buck more a quart ,and is a premix only with fuel stabilizers designed for chainsaws right in the description . I have equipment that sits sometimes ,the stabilizer thing is important for a lawn tool ,my weedeater's and lawn equipment sit all winter also ,so less carb problems in the spring is important also .Am not promoting the stuff by no means ,just reading up on the differences before i try some out . I am curious how clean the piston and plug and jug will be with the stuff vs the dirt bike oils ,the mobil and dumonde tech dirt bike oils actually cleaned black residue out of my saws .

 

[bwalker]

Looked on Amsoil's site ,my take on Dominator is it is an injector oil for snowmobiles that can be used as premix in bikes also with no fuel stabilizers in the description i could see ,the Sabre cost a buck more a quart ,and is a premix only with fuel stabilizers designed for chainsaws right in the description . I have equipment that sits sometimes ,the stabilizer thing is important for a lawn tool ,my weedeater's and lawn equipment sit all winter also ,so less carb problems in the spring is important also .Am not promoting the stuff by no means ,just reading up on the differences before i try some out . I am curious how clean the piston and plug and jug will be with the stuff vs the dirt bike oils ,the mobil and dumonde tech dirt bike oils actually cleaned black residue out of my saws .

Interceptor is the snowmobile injection oil. Dominator is a dedicated pre mix oil. The sleds they mention on the product sheet for Dominator are pre mix engines.

 

[bwalker]

Interceptor is the snowmobile injection oil. Dominator is a dedicated pre mix oil. The sleds they mention on the product sheet for Dominator are pre mix engines.

Personally I do not want fuel stabilizers in my oil. I will add them as needed.

 

[Trx250r180]

Applications
DOMINATOR® is recommended for use in high-performance stock or modified two-cycle engines, including air- or liquidcooled snowmobiles, personal watercraft, motorcycles (moto X), ATVs, go-carts and outboard motors*. Good for use with coated or non-coated pistons, high-octane racing fuels and exhaust power valves. Compatible with most other two-stroke oils; however, mixing oils should be minimized.

Use in oil-injected and pre-mix applications where API TC oils are specified. In pre-mix applications, DOMINATOR delivers outstanding protection at 50:1 (2.6 oz. oil per U.S. gallon of gas), although many racers modify the mix ratio to suit their setup. Not suitable for use with alcohol or nitro-methane fuels.

* Not suitable for long-term use in outboard motors as a TC-W3-type oil, although excellent as a race oil for short-term use where motors are periodically inspected.

Jet skis and boats and injectors ........BOAT OIL !!! lol

 

[bwalker]

It's really not boat oil. Missed the injector blurb.
Jets skis actually use low ash, aircooled type oils.

 

[Trx250r180]

It's really not boat oil. Missed the injector blurb.

I know just trying to make this thread not so stuffy

 

[nitehawk55]

Geez BW , I don't think you like anything . With as many of your posts in this thread you really haven't said anything of merit to contribute , it's mostly all negative in your eyes if someone says good of it .

 

[bwalker]

Geez BW , I don't think you like anything . With as many of your posts in this thread you really haven't said anything of merit to contribute , it's mostly all negative in your eyes if someone says good of it .

That's not true at all... what have you said of merit?