661 Oil Test 32:1 vs 40:1 vs 50:1 ?

[KenJax Tree]

You also gotta remember you're only talking to a Belray tech so he's obviously leaning towards Belray. Is he really gonna say use Motul 800?

 

[blsnelling]

I don't like that H1-R has different tuning needs than all these other oils. H1-R is popular here not because it was proven to be the best, but rather that it is a known top tier oil and was not offensive smelling. I believe all of these ester oils oils will give similar protection. That's why I honestly don't care which one is in my saw. I just find the hunt for the "best" oil to be fun. You can call me weird if you want

 

[KenJax Tree]

I've talked to Belray and Maxima and was told for best results use H1R @42:1 and use K2 @ 40-45:1

 

[blsnelling]

Why is the flashpoint for K2 so much lower than the others. I find that odd. Is that part of why I find it smokier on a cold startup?

 

[KenJax Tree]

Why is the flashpoint for K2 so much lower than the others. I find that odd. Is that part of why I find it smokier on a cold startup?

Seems like it would smoke less if it was burning off and vaporizing faster

 

[mdavlee]

On or off-road version?

Off road.

 

[Mastermind]

I don't like that H1-R has different tuning needs than all these other oils. H1-R is popular here not because it was proven to be the best, but rather that it is a known top tier oil and was not offensive smelling. I believe all of these ester oils oils will give similar protection. That's why I honestly don't care which one is in my saw. I just find the hunt for the "best" oil to be fun. You can call me weird if you want

I've promoted the hell out of H1R.

After seeing a few blown cranks I started talking it up.

The way I looked at it, it just helped protect the saws I was doing. The tune thing has always been a worry of mine though.....

Brad......if you're weird then we all are.......look what we are doing.

 

[Trx250r180]

When do we test bar oil ,i like the husky stuff myself

 

[mdavlee]

I don't like that H1-R has different tuning needs than all these other oils. H1-R is popular here not because it was proven to be the best, but rather that it is a known top tier oil and was not offensive smelling. I believe all of these ester oils oils will give similar protection. That's why I honestly don't care which one is in my saw. I just find the hunt for the "best" oil to be fun. You can call me weird if you want

I can't run h1r. I end up with watering eyes and a runny nose. that and a few saws didn't want to tune down and we're around 1.75 turns out on the H turned me away from it.

 

[redbull660]

You also gotta remember you're only talking to a Belray tech so he's obviously leaning towards Belray. Is he really gonna say use Motul 800?

I've weighed that into my considerations, for sure. If Randy had been using and having success with Motul 800. I'd probably be swayed that way. Meaning we kinda know that (d.) the tear down is covered. We KNOW H1R does the job at protecting.

And the belray guy said it himself - ..."Usually less viscous oil needs to be at a richer ratio to counteract the weaker film strength, but it’s not always the case. You can make generalizations and it may be true for a majority of the time, but there will always be some outliers that don’t fit the curve. ....Yes, you are likely to see very similar performance from a lot of oils, that’s why everyone has their favorite oil and swears it’s the best."



So belray is saying expect to see similar performance from a lot of oils. IMPORTANT - similar performance was referring to times and temps...not about the protection. I think that is what sets them apart.



So in my mind I'm thinking...

I know H1R protects chainsaws really really well. And belray says times and temps are going to be close between a lot of oils(Given the correct/idel mix ratio for that particular oil). So Why then should I spend my time looking at others? Just find the ideal mix ratio of H1R and call it good.


But yeah we could test all sorts of oils out there and check times and temps and how constant & consistent those temps were. We could have chad do the dyno thing as well. But per Belray most of the oils out there are going to have similar or same performance numbers.

BUT the only oil that has the most history of KNOWN protection in chainsaws is H1R (per randy)

 

[blsnelling]

I've promoted the hell out of H1R.

After seeing a few blown cranks I started talking it up.

The way I looked at it, it just helped protect the saws I was doing. The tune thing has always been a worry of mine though.....

Brad......if you're weird then we all are.......look what we are doing.

Wouldn't you agree that any of these top tier ester oils would likely give the same protection? I really think it comes down to availability, and personal preferences such as smell and sinus reaction.

 

[mdavlee]

We need Chad to test a couple on his dyno. That would be the easiest way to see what made the most power.

 

[Mastermind]

Wouldn't you agree that any of these top tier ester oils would likely give the same protection? I really think it comes down to availability, and personal preferences such as smell and sinus reaction.

Yes I would Brad.

I like some better than others based on crown buildup. But any of them will protect the engine.

I'll still be recommending 32:1......and even more oil in a milling saw though.

 

[Mastermind]

Oh........the reason I recommend the OE oils at 40:1 is based on crown buildup, and muffler spooge.

The Ultra is very dirty.......and downright nasty at 32:1. But some guys wanna use it.

 

[blsnelling]

Yes I would Brad.

I like some better than others based on crown buildup. But any of them will protect the engine.

I'll still be recommending 32:1......and even more oil in a milling saw though.

Of the following oils, how would you rate them in cleanliness?

H1-R
R50
800-2T
K2

 

[Mastermind]

They are all very clean from what I've seen. BUT........most of the saws I see that have been used on them were for only a few tanks before being sent for mods.

 

[KG441c]

From alot of older post several years ago several of u guys didnt like r50? Said too much carbon buildup?

 

[Mastermind]

R50 is a very clean oil.

Super Techniplate is nasty stuff in a saw engine though.

 

[MustangMike]

Brian, TS (CountyLine) bar oil.

 

[blsnelling]

They are all very clean from what I've seen. BUT........most of the saws I see that have been used on them were for only a few tanks before being sent for mods.

And that's exactly where I am. I don't get enough run time to make a fair comparison.