661 Oil Test 32:1 vs 40:1 vs 50:1 ?

[MustangMike]

Reading this thread makes me think I'm on a Star Trek mission "In search of intelligent life". Now don't get me wrong, it is not that I don't think that a lot of intelligent people have posted here, it is just that the resulting posts just don't really reflect it.

Let the testing continue!

 

[bwalker]

You've said nothing definitive, you've backtracked and said this analysis has errors, yet you didn't say what.https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...DF3QVJLeDRrbExmSGhsc1FlWFdueHc&hl=en_US#gid=0

You have knowledge that is not in question, but I'm not sure you understand it fully, which is why they're so many holes in your responses. To me you come off a bit like ST. You rely on what you read and base your conclusions on this and state it as fact, which it is not not.

I've ran a few different oils as well. Most of the mix I use every year is in my blowers and trimmers however. I've never seen rust, and many of my saws sit a year at a time, never had any carbon issues " other than Klotz SuperTech", never had oil separate. This is why I often simply suggest running any of the trusted brands that are available locally. Some of us like to try different oils just because.

Take your pick. Brad if you want to buy some of what you see in the pic, just let me know. I think I have enough 2T oil for the next 5 years or so.

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I haven't back tracked on anything..
The list really doesn't tell you anything and it has factual errors. For instance I know a fact that the legend oils are not Jason certified, because I know the owner, have tested motors with him in the spring up here and he has built me several motors. There are other errors as well.

 

[Andyshine77]

I haven't back tracked on anything..
The list really doesn't tell you anything and it has factual errors. For instance I know a fact that the legend oils are not Jason certified, because I know the owner, have tested motors with him in the spring up here and he has built me several motors. There are other errors as well.

Excellent. What are the other errors?

 

[Roll Tide]

I when and crawled in a sweatlodge, with some good friends and some very hot rocks.

Oil......meh.

 

[bwalker]

Excellent. What are the other errors?

It doesn't list the methodology used. The rpm limits are a joke, etc.

 

[Andyshine77]

It doesn't list the methodology used. The rpm limits are a joke, etc.

How the hell do you know this as fact??

 

[Roll Tide]

It doesn't list the methodology used. The rpm limits are a joke, etc.

How the hell do you know this as fact??

Cause he knows that guy too and designed a better oil for him...duh haha

 

[Ron660]

Red; your inquiry convinced me to change oils, and all I have are stock saws. I'm using Lucas right now. When it's all gone these two just came in the mail, and I'll go with them. H1-R looks to be a lil

Reading this thread makes me think I'm on a Star Trek mission "In search of intelligent life". Now don't get me wrong, it is not that I don't think that a lot of intelligent people have posted here, it is just that the resulting posts just don't really reflect it.

Let the testing continue!

Oils with the highest numbers at 100C will give you the most protection. But that doesn't mean they'll be the best performers in your saw if your goal is more speed. Also, this doesn't tell us how clean they'll be inside our engines. That's more related to their additive packages and detergents. I'd bet the two Motul 800 oils (off-road & road racing) have the same base/stock oil only different additive packages to achieve whatever goal or application it's intended for. Motul 800 road racing has a higher viscosity at 100C compared to 800 off-road because it's designed for more continuous high rpms rather than on-and-off rpms like Motocross (800 off-road oil).

 

[scallywag]

I switched to Motul 800 about a year ago on the advice of someone that knows more about saws than myself. I've been paying $43.00 aud per litre for the stuff!
If running Motul @ 32:1 is doing my saws harm I'd really like to know why!......Please!

 

[Moparmyway]

They use a version of 800 in their 50:1 fuel and 710 in the 40:1 fuel. I have both and the smell between the two are very distinct.

Hi Andre',
I have the VP 50:1 SEF, its blue and to my big old beak, I could easily make the same smell as 50:1 when I mix their 4 cycle SEF with Lucas. To me 800 smells a little different. May I ask where did you get info that said VP was using Motul in their 50:1 ? Its pretty accepted that their red 40:1 is running 710, but I havent read anything definitive about that 50:1

 

[Moparmyway]

If running Motul @ 32:1 is doing my saws harm I'd really like to know why!......Please!

Because he said so .............. there - that answers every question I ever had, thread closed, discussion over.

Seriousely, 800 is good stuff, and it has cleaned away most of the buildup from the combustion chambers in the engines I ran it in. Nice oily drips everywhere inside, it dont even foul out plugs.

IMHO, you really cant get much better - equal, yes .......... but better, nope

 

[Moparmyway]

I think I'm about done chasing oils. Be back to KL 200 soon.

Thats just GREAT ............. now I gotta go and get some KL200 .............. youre killin my wallet bud !!

**EDIT** isnt this the stuff that coats the tops of pistons if idled frequently ?

 

[Pud]

Bwalker i need to know what makes u think a chainsaw engine is a low stress enviroment or whatever u wrote ?
Because they dont make the power of similar size motocross engines ?

 

[nk14zp]

So should the AV gas be used in saws that fly?

I should be asking Brad this.

 

[RedneckChainsawRepair]

I just wondered do you guys fuss about which brand and type of oil you use in your cars and trucks every oil change? Like you do over a 2 stroke mix .
Been using the same brand oil for those last 35 years in my cars and trucks.

 

[Hedgerow]

I just wondered do you guys fuss about which brand and type of oil you use in your cars and trucks every oil change? Like you do over a 2 stroke mix .
Been using the same brand oil for those last 35 years in my cars and trucks.

Wow, yer gettin old bro... Lol..

But to stay on topic,

Levi and I burnt through another 2.5 gallons of mix yesterday..
The 562 with the bad carb is still alive!!!
Still pretty, blue 40:1 Lucas..

My saws like it cause they get thirsty when working, and it's the closest thing to blue raspberry Gatorade they get to drink.

 

[wigglesworth]

I slept last night. I miss anything?

Anybody lose a crank or piston yet?

What about a race?

 

[mdavlee]

Thats just GREAT ............. now I gotta go and get some KL200 .............. youre killin my wallet bud !!

**EDIT** isnt this the stuff that coats the tops of pistons if idled frequently ?

Super is the bad one. I'm even going to run some of it for the heck of it. I used a gallon of KL 200 back before I found this place. Race guys use it and that's all like Jeremiah Johnson said.

 

[Sagetown]

I switched to Motul 800 about a year ago on the advice of someone that knows more about saws than myself. I've been paying $43.00 aud per litre for the stuff!
If running Motul @ 32:1 is doing my saws harm I'd really like to know why!......Please!

$43 per litre !? Try going thru amazon. Free shipping at $21->$22 per litre here in the USA.

 

[WoodChuck'r]

I just wondered do you guys fuss about which brand and type of oil you use in your cars and trucks every oil change? Like you do over a 2 stroke mix .
Been using the same brand oil for those last 35 years in my cars and trucks.

Some of these guys just need to get laid.....