70cc saw opinions based on these factors...

[bwalker]

I guess I should have included this quote

But I thought folks we draw the reference. It has nothing to do with being nostalgic but to each their own. That is why the world great. We all get to choose. Yes there a ton of guys still using 044's here

The 044/440 was a great saw in its day, but it never was as good as a 372. I owned multiple of both. I started out as a Stihl guy. My dad ran them, my first saw was a stihl snd the first saw I bought was a Stihl. However, I lived in an area where Husky was favored by loggers so I tried a 372 and never looked back.
And again a 044 isn't that old of a saw. It's certainly not a old relic from the early 70's made by long defunct companies.

 

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The 044/440 was a great saw in its day, but it never was as good as a 372. I owned multiple of both. I started out as a Stihl guy. My dad ran them, my first saw was a stihl snd the first saw I bought was a Stihl. However, I lived in an area where Husky was favored by loggers so I tried a 372 and never looked back.
And again a 044 isn't that old of a saw. It's certainly not a old relic from the early 70's made by long defunct companies.

Gas consumption, I build kit saws. I have a 372 BB at 76,5cc and a 460 at 82,5cc. Not entirely OEM saws but pretty good builds with lots of OEM and custom parts, and what continues to amaze me is the absolutely amazing fuel consumption.

 

[bwalker]

Gas consumption, I build kit saws. I have a 372 BB at 76,5cc and a 460 at 82,5cc. Not entirely OEM saws but pretty good builds with lots of OEM and custom parts, and what continues to amaze me is the absolutely amazing fuel consumption.

Can't beat a computer controlled carb strato charged saw for gas consumption.
I am not sure why you quoted me on that though as I made no mention of gas consumption

 

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Can't beat a computer controlled carb strato charged saw for gas consumption.
I am not sure why you quoted me on that though as I made no mention of gas consumption

All that talk about 2'nd generation saws...
Simple and reliable yeas, but thirsty like my dad.

 

[bwalker]

All that talk about 2'nd generation saws...

Gas consumption certainly got better with the better cylinder designs. Compare a stihl 440/460/660 port layout with those of a 372/390 ETC. The former are archaic crap in comparison to the latter.

 

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Gas consumption certainly got better with the better cylinder designs. Compare a stihl 440/460/660 port layout with those of a 372/390 ETC. The former are archaic crap in comparison to the latter.

My 372 build has a four port cylinder at 52mm / 76,5cc - its powerful but its also "really" thirsty.
Not as thirsty as the 2 port 54mm 82,5cc 460, but not as powerful either.
https://www.arboristsite.com/threads/diy-ms460-first-run-and-carb-adjustment.363225/

 

[Jethro 2t sniffer]

Certain relics are good fun.

I been reading along it's good to learn what you professionals are running and why.

The relics of the 70s are what led to modern saws. Same with anything.

That SP81 will cut with a 372 all day and out cut it in the bigger wood. The AV on the Mac's from 1971 is still better than many stihls of now and the not too distant past. It also is about the same weight.

Nothing was very close to these saws until huskies 162 and 181.

Yes parts are challenging but are around.

Of course they have no place in a production world but they are great fun and surprise lots of people. They sound great.

Does a old muscle car from the 70s still have a place? Are you going to daily it?

Newer is definitely not always better. Who likes there new trucks ABS pushing there foot up on the brake on a gravel road? Or it beeping constantly around the farm with no seat belt. Or the sensors dying in the mud. Or the door beeping because its open. Or needing to be in neutral and clutch in when it stalled meanwhile a semi is headed straight at you.

Relics are nice sometimes over wiz bang.

Anyway as a firewood guy what you guys reckon. A 372 oe or 572? I have a 395 for big stuff. A 162 and 266 services that smaller firewood stuff well. Lacking in a decent 50 but ahhh don't find I need 1 much really

 

[North by Northwest]

I owned a Mark I.

Yeah , they were sweet handling saws with an air filter Injestion problem . Could be solved with a little grease around the air box sealing surface .

 

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That's your opinion & were quite aware of your narrow minded opinions. So take it somewhere else . Your time has come & gone !

Be nice buddy, You're talking to me, my friends and your friends as well.

 

[North by Northwest]

Because most guys do it for the reasons I listed. Many of the blackpowder guns are so far removed from what a blackpowder gun should be it's laughable. My last BP rifle used smokeless powder. Not BP substitute, but actual smokeless powder. Combine that with a scope and in places like MI there is zero disadvantage to using a "BP" rifle over a modern bolt action centerline rifle.

Yeah , a smokeless powder 1 shot wonder is far removed from current AR-15 style automatics with lazer aided sighting systems . Nothing preferential about hunting with 2 ' feet of snow on the ground in December in the lower Penninsula or -10 in Northern Ontario ! It's about traditional hunting & tracking . Same with a bow , try getting within 40 yds of a Trophy 12 in Sept with the black flies crawling up your nose , nothing preferential about that either Junior !

 

[North by Northwest]

All that talk about 2'nd generation saws...
Simple and reliable yeas, but thirsty like my dad.

There was no Ralph Nader in effect even back then for saws , they were all gas guzzlers link , especially the ole Mac's !

 

[bwalker]

My 372 build has a four port cylinder at 52mm / 76,5cc - its powerful but its also "really" thirsty.
Not as thirsty as the 2 port 54mm 82,5cc 460, but not as powerful either.
https://www.arboristsite.com/threads/diy-ms460-first-run-and-carb-adjustment.363225/

All bets are off with those AM cylinders.

 

[North by Northwest]

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Certain relics are good fun.

I been reading along it's good to learn what you professionals are running and why.

The relics of the 70s are what led to modern saws. Same with anything.

That SP81 will cut with a 372 all day and out cut it in the bigger wood. The AV on the Mac's from 1971 is still better than many stihls of now and the not too distant past. It also is about the same weight.

Nothing was very close to these saws until huskies 162 and 181.

Yes parts are challenging but are around.

Of course they have no place in a production world but they are great fun and surprise lots of people. They sound great.

Does a old muscle car from the 70s still have a place? Are you going to daily it?

Newer is definitely not always better. Who likes there new trucks ABS pushing there foot up on the brake on a gravel road? Or it beeping constantly around the farm with no seat belt. Or the sensors dying in the mud. Or the door beeping because its open. Or needing to be in neutral and clutch in when it stalled meanwhile a semi is headed straight at you.

Relics are nice sometimes over wiz bang.

Anyway as a firewood guy what you guys reckon. A 372 oe or 572? I have a 395 for big stuff. A 162 and 266 services that smaller firewood stuff well. Lacking in a decent 50 but ahhh don't find I need 1 much really

My points exactly , however how advice. to Brufab on older saws having less than stellar oil pumps for longer bars , invoked Ben calling them junk & not being able to fathom anyone using them is inconceivable ! Nostalgia is more than enough for most & sentimental family tradition for me !

 

[bwalker]

Yeah , a smokeless powder 1 shot wonder is far removed from current AR-15 style automatics with lazer aided sighting systems . Nothing preferential about hunting with 2 ' feet of snow on the ground in December in the lower Penninsula or -10 in Northern Ontario ! It's about traditional hunting & tracking . Same with a bow , try getting within 40 yds of a Trophy 12 in Sept with the black flies crawling up your nose , nothing preferential about that either Junior !

Bow seasons are very preferential in both timing and hunting pressure.
Hunting with snow on the ground is an advantage as is hunting the late season if you understand how to hunt deer that time of year.
I would rather hunt with my old Savage smokeless muzzleloader in MI vs some AR and would not be at a disadvantage. I grew up hunting MI and never had to shoot at a deer twice and I never shot one over 100 yards away.
I do have an AR but it's for killing people coming into my house and is about worthless to me as a hunting gun.

 

[bwalker]

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Certain relics are good fun.

I been reading along it's good to learn what you professionals are running and why.

The relics of the 70s are what led to modern saws. Same with anything.

That SP81 will cut with a 372 all day and out cut it in the bigger wood. The AV on the Mac's from 1971 is still better than many stihls of now and the not too distant past. It also is about the same weight.

Nothing was very close to these saws until huskies 162 and 181.

Yes parts are challenging but are around.

Of course they have no place in a production world but they are great fun and surprise lots of people. They sound great.

Does a old muscle car from the 70s still have a place? Are you going to daily it?

Newer is definitely not always better. Who likes there new trucks ABS pushing there foot up on the brake on a gravel road? Or it beeping constantly around the farm with no seat belt. Or the sensors dying in the mud. Or the door beeping because its open. Or needing to be in neutral and clutch in when it stalled meanwhile a semi is headed straight at you.

Relics are nice sometimes over wiz bang.

Anyway as a firewood guy what you guys reckon. A 372 oe or 572? I have a 395 for big stuff. A 162 and 266 services that smaller firewood stuff well. Lacking in a decent 50 but ahhh don't find I need 1 much really

I get all that...but that's not what this thread is about....

 

[bwalker]

My points exactly , however how advice. to Brufab on older saws having less than stellar oil pumps for longer bars , invoked Ben calling them junk & not being able to fathom anyone using them is inconceivable ! Nostalgia is more than enough for most & sentimental family tradition for me !

I referanced my comment by year.. you chose to bring up something germain to saws built 25 years earlier than I mentioned, which has zero relevance to this topic.
I get it, you like to wax on about old stuff from your youth. How about start a thread about that stuff where the rest of the old farts can get nostalgic with you.

 

[North by Northwest]

Why wouldn't they sell for over what they cost 20 years ago? Inflation by itself made the dollar less valuable. They were good saws and have quite the following, but tour not going to see a production feller/logger dragging one around the woods just to be nostalgic. Doesn't mean they are bad saws, and certainly doesn't mean they are worth more now then when they were new.

No one said any 50 yr old or 20 yr old saw was adequate for production today Sean . You know Brufab loves his Remingtons , think he has at least 6 running saws . It a hobby he has just like some people collect Vintage Muscle cars that they can't even run on today's gasoline lol.

 

[Jethro 2t sniffer]

I get all that...but that's not what this thread is about....

No that's why I got around to asking about the 572 vs 372 thing. The 372s are getting dang expensive. Is it worth paying half for an older saw than the newer wiz bang 572 as a firewood guy? I also fix my own stuff

 

[bwalker]

Be nice buddy, You're talking to me, my friends and your friends as well.

The guy thinks he runs this site or something..

 

[link]

I get it, you like to wax on about old stuff from your youth. How about start a thread about that stuff where the rest of the old farts can get nostalgic with you.

That's pretty chess like, you could kill an old friend with that.