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DDRT without footlocking?
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Mike Cantolina
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And the negative rep campaign continues.
the Aerialist
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Seems that the usual suspects don't want to post anything of value to advance the topic. Today's best mechanical devices makes footlocking unneeded and time wasting. Spend the money to eliminate hours of rope tending over the course of a day, the payoff is more productivity and getting more work done for every hour you spend on rope.
treeclimber101
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Even in a time elapsed video your slow in a tee so maybe your right ........ I saw you literally hump a tree while the sun moved over in the sky and john boy bombed pieces down on your head
the Aerialist
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Small Minds talk about people, Large Minds talk about ideas ...
Tiny little minds like yours see what they want to see and them make up something to criticize from their limited ability to perceive what's going on. I admit to being old and slow in a tree compared to a 20 something climber, but that doesn't change the fact that advanced gear can make anyone faster than sticking with century old techniques.
Why not address the topic and not attack the poster? That's a rhetorical question so I'll answer it for you: You're just a lamer who has nothing of value to add to the discussion.
Tiny little minds like yours see what they want to see and them make up something to criticize from their limited ability to perceive what's going on. I admit to being old and slow in a tree compared to a 20 something climber, but that doesn't change the fact that advanced gear can make anyone faster than sticking with century old techniques.
Why not address the topic and not attack the poster? That's a rhetorical question so I'll answer it for you: You're just a lamer who has nothing of value to add to the discussion.
Please explain to me how your attachment device can change the efficiency of a method of climbing. Is the ART also the reason you gave up on climbing with the ice axe?
the Aerialist
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I thought I explained that already ...
Both my LockJack and SpiderJack allow the rope to be completely self tending. The rope just flows through them as you ascend without any tending on your part. With a knot, even with a pulley to slide it up, you must handle the tail of the rope to advance up the tree. Pretty simple concept really.
The ice axes worked well when set into the tree, it was pulling them out that was a headache. Maybe if I ground off the serrated edge or waxed then (thanks rope!) they would be easier to retrieve. They were a failed experiment, but nothing ventured, nothing gained. I'm an old dog but I like trying new tricks Getting the ART gear was very successful for me to make my climbing easier.
Both my LockJack and SpiderJack allow the rope to be completely self tending. The rope just flows through them as you ascend without any tending on your part. With a knot, even with a pulley to slide it up, you must handle the tail of the rope to advance up the tree. Pretty simple concept really.
The ice axes worked well when set into the tree, it was pulling them out that was a headache. Maybe if I ground off the serrated edge or waxed then (thanks rope!) they would be easier to retrieve. They were a failed experiment, but nothing ventured, nothing gained. I'm an old dog but I like trying new tricks Getting the ART gear was very successful for me to make my climbing easier.
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HeRoze
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I thought this would be interesting.
anyone care to continue enlightening the ignorant (like me) or have we spiraled into pre-pubescent banter to the point that folks who would have shared with the OP won't anymore.
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anyone care to continue enlightening the ignorant (like me) or have we spiraled into pre-pubescent banter to the point that folks who would have shared with the OP won't anymore.
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That really shows how much you dont use them for rope climbing or dont rope climb since we all know you spike trims anyways. The amount of effort it takes to tend slack when rope climbing is minute and to me not worth the money you spent of them. Now for limb walking they may be an advantage but for climbing it really wouldnt matter. But then again at 87 no one really expects you to be rope climbing. Ill be glad to get out of bed at your age.
I have to tell you the truth you complain about people hijacking threads and not contributing but you are the catalyst for a large amount of it. When you go in a thread and talk nonsense people are going to react.
treeclimber101
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I thought this would be interesting.
anyone care to continue enlightening the ignorant (like me) or have we spiraled into pre-pubescent banter to the point that folks who would have shared with the OP won't anymore.
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Sorry birdman your right ..... Proceed with the topic LOL
the Aerialist
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Kindergarden Cop ~ the Aerialist for moderator ...
Your response is typical juvenile baiting and it's your type of nonsense that pollutes these threads. Grow up or get smart, although I doubt if you are able to do either.
It's not that it's hard to tend your rope after every move; up, down, or sideways. It's that you have to do it after every move and that takes time and attention. Using advanced gear gives you back that time and just does it's job without distracting you with repetitive (even if minimal) effort.
I wouldn't knock it until you've tried it for a day.
Your response is typical juvenile baiting and it's your type of nonsense that pollutes these threads. Grow up or get smart, although I doubt if you are able to do either.
It's not that it's hard to tend your rope after every move; up, down, or sideways. It's that you have to do it after every move and that takes time and attention. Using advanced gear gives you back that time and just does it's job without distracting you with repetitive (even if minimal) effort.
I wouldn't knock it until you've tried it for a day.
again this just proves you have not done it... it is not every every move, only a few times in every climb that you have to tend. It is not all that distracting only takes a second to do.
Your claim was that your ART set up takes away the need to footlock. Back this up with some reasoning and theory. You dont even have a clue when and were footlocking is used and why.
treemandan
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beastmaster
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Long time ago when I first started climbing I pulled my self up the rope with my arms. It didn't take long I learned how to footlock. I was now faster and less tired on rope climbs of any ht. Then buy some fluke I learned to ddrt. It was faster yet on long climbs and easier to footlock then a single rope. Then there are other little advancments, blake,s , split tail, micro pulleys etc.
I researched Spider jack and it seemed like it would be a big improvement.(but you can't footlock) But then I discovered SRT.
I use two Technic's, but the one I use everyday is the yo yo or rads. If you really feel the need to pull your self up with your arms it beats doing just a rope pull over the branch. The gri gri protects you from falling should a pine cone or widow maker knock you out on the ascend, and you have a pulley and hand ascender to help you pull your self up. I do footlock and on a rads system its almost effortless. I won't even go on about how much easier it is to set your rope. Each advance has made getting up a tree a little easier and safer.
Each new thing has a learning curve so it seems foreign at first. You wouldn't buy a fred flintstone car over one with a engine would you? So why not learn and master a Technic that is safer and faster and easier, then going back to one that is harder, dangerous, and unsafe?
I am not as young as I use to be, just the easier part appeals to me. Beastmaster
I researched Spider jack and it seemed like it would be a big improvement.(but you can't footlock) But then I discovered SRT.
I use two Technic's, but the one I use everyday is the yo yo or rads. If you really feel the need to pull your self up with your arms it beats doing just a rope pull over the branch. The gri gri protects you from falling should a pine cone or widow maker knock you out on the ascend, and you have a pulley and hand ascender to help you pull your self up. I do footlock and on a rads system its almost effortless. I won't even go on about how much easier it is to set your rope. Each advance has made getting up a tree a little easier and safer.
Each new thing has a learning curve so it seems foreign at first. You wouldn't buy a fred flintstone car over one with a engine would you? So why not learn and master a Technic that is safer and faster and easier, then going back to one that is harder, dangerous, and unsafe?
I am not as young as I use to be, just the easier part appeals to me. Beastmaster
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HeRoze
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+1
Yea, it's a tufted titmouse. I'm beating a dead horse in WTF. I guess you had to be there to get it.
looks interesting. gotta video by chance?
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Saw Dust Smoken
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Beastmaster, your reply makes more sense than most post on this thread. Use the tools available to work more effeicient. Saves the body and time!!
Beastmaster, your reply makes more sense than most post on this thread. Use the tools available to work more effeicient. Saves the body and time!!
the Aerialist
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That thing looks a lot like my Unicender:
While true that it self advances if you haul on the line below it, (which is why I have it rigged on a tether, to put it above me) I find that it doesn't pass the rope through it as smoothly as the ART products do.
the Aerialist
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You don't need to footlock, you can if you want to. If I feel that need I just put on the Pantin. The point being that with the LJ & SJ if you pull yourself up, say using a double handled ascender, the tail of the rope just glides through the device until you load it by putting your weight on it.
Footlocking gives you enough purchase on the rope to advance the knot up the rope, beyond that, I don't think it adds much to actually get you up the rope. Try foot locking and letting go with your hands and see how long you can stay there without sliding down.
No video. Yet.
I have not used the spiderjack, but having had a chance to use the unicender for a short while, I know that it is spring loaded to reliably grip when un-weighted, and it releases differently. The Bulldog OAR uses rollers and pins and loads midline from the front between the side arms and then around the pins. It captures the line very effectively and releases very smoothly by fully pulling down on the bottom arm and then pulling gently on the middle arm to get it to start releasing (on a doubled rope). The top arm functions just like a built in rope wrench. It uses a set pin screw to adjust the tension on the rope as needed or desired. It also has all steel friction points. My intent was to make something that would last for crane work on a doubled rope.
I have not used the spiderjack, but having had a chance to use the unicender for a short while, I know that it is spring loaded to reliably grip when un-weighted, and it releases differently. The Bulldog OAR uses rollers and pins and loads midline from the front between the side arms and then around the pins. It captures the line very effectively and releases very smoothly by fully pulling down on the bottom arm and then pulling gently on the middle arm to get it to start releasing (on a doubled rope). The top arm functions just like a built in rope wrench. It uses a set pin screw to adjust the tension on the rope as needed or desired. It also has all steel friction points. My intent was to make something that would last for crane work on a doubled rope.
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