Falling wedges. What's good, what's not, and why?

[8433jeff]

I think hbrn thinks those guys are complete idiots. They are slow, inexperienced, and don't have any motivation to go faster. I may have picked a different day, one where the wind wasn't blowing directly against the direction of fall, but maybe it had to go that day. When he posted it, I thought for sure it was going over backwards. I thought during it it would show the farmer cut. No on both.
Not often that people post things contrary to their side of the argument, is it?

 

[2dogs]

In the other video that mr. billy posted the faller was a little nervous and shakey. Kind of unsure of where he was. He got the job done, but had to re-cut the face about 10 times and I don't get the 1/3 throttle thing. Also did not look up at the most important part, when the tree started to tip. He was watching his wedge moving. They could of edited that thing down to about 5 minutes also, maybe less. Eh, whatever. So is that pastor billy in that video?

Bitzer are you saying the FS guy in the video doesn't know his stuff? COME ON MAN! He is probably a C certifier. Trimming up the face is a good thing. I do it whenever I mismatch my cuts and I teach others to do the same thing. You can't be saying you never mismatch cuts or that your face never needs a cleanup. I always watch my wedges along with the top. You, well me anyway, can't always see the top well and watching the wedge move is another tool in the tool box. One does not replace the other it just gives more information especially in the wind. Tighten the wedge as needed. I thought you cut more than cookies and firewood.

 

[RandyMac]

Yeah a whittler, better to do that than over cut. My cuz Kev was one of those guys who always had his cuts match up, too bad he couldn't read trees worth a crap.

 

[056kid]

Bitzer are you saying the FS guy in the video doesn't know his stuff? COME ON MAN! He is probably a C certifier. Trimming up the face is a good thing. I do it whenever I mismatch my cuts and I teach others to do the same thing. You can't be saying you never mismatch cuts or that your face never needs a cleanup. I always watch my wedges along with the top. You, well me anyway, can't always see the top well and watching the wedge move is another tool in the tool box. One does not replace the other it just gives more information especially in the wind. Tighten the wedge as needed. I thought you cut more than cookies and firewood.

too much ####ing around is what he means. . . I rekon.

 

[indiansprings]

From what i seen on the video, those boy's are a hell of a lot more competent than PNW "longbar" HBRN, their technique was a so much better than the sloping backcut displayed by the self-proclaimed gypo faller.

I would have chosen a less windy day, or waited until the wind died down, it may have been calm when they started. Like mentioned by Slow P their not production fallers and being govt. employees prolly not on much of a fixed schedule. It was prolly their task for the day, dropping the tree and bucking it up, better safe than sorry.

It's just another in a long, never ending line of pizz poor post by HBRN, I've noticed he never mentions the people he was a gypo faller for, I imagine that industry is pretty tight up there and surely a few of the guys on here would prolly know his references.............but then again.

 

[HILLBILLYREDNEC]

The point of the link is showing why having the correct wedge would have made the tree fall with out risk of it stump setting.
YouTube - ‪How to Cut Down a Tree : Using a Felling Wedge When Cutting Down a Tree‬‏

 

[RandyMac]

This message is hidden because HILLBILLYREDNEC is poser and is on your ignore list.

 

[slowp]

The point of the link is showing why having the correct wedge would have made the tree fall with out risk of it stump setting.
YouTube - ‪How to Cut Down a Tree : Using a Felling Wedge When Cutting Down a Tree‬‏

Which wedge would you recommend? A pink one? Explain.

 

[indiansprings]

He is unable to ascertain the wind is a huge factor in this case and is the predominant factor. What ever wedge he would use I'm sure it would be a loooooooong one. I'd think it would be dang hard to wedge those sloping back cuts he uses, at least the FS guy can make a level back cut.

 

[Gologit]

The point of the link is showing why having the correct wedge would have made the tree fall with out risk of it stump setting.
YouTube - ‪How to Cut Down a Tree : Using a Felling Wedge When Cutting Down a Tree‬‏

You just don't get it.

 

[John Ellison]

Hey, if Drew Finn uses an angled back cut it must be the right way.

 

[Gologit]

Here's some good examples of Hbrn's favorite falling cut. And no, these weren't done by me. I got called in to clean up the tangled, jackstrawed mess that this kind of falling creates. Slowp helped us on this one and she saw first hand what a debacle it was. Doing a post-mortem on some of the trees, they went side-ways, backwards, and everywhere but in some kind of lead. Why nobody got hurt or worse is beyond me.

I wish we'd taken pictures of the mess but those of you who fall can probably imagine it.

Now...Hbrn, can you tell me how a wedge would have made any of the trees in the above pictures fall into lead?
And, can you explain to us just what a lead" is? As opposed to a lay, of course.

And those job references? Just PM me with them and I'll check them out. If they're valid I'll post a public apology for calling you a liar and a fraud.

 

[056kid]

I have a picture just like that Bob, except the stumps are all humboldt and conventional. Just for a good comparison in bad VS good. .

 

[2dogs]

The point of the link is showing why having the correct wedge would have made the tree fall with out risk of it stump setting.
YouTube - ‪How to Cut Down a Tree : Using a Felling Wedge When Cutting Down a Tree‬‏

Expert Village!? Man you are really grasping at straws! What's next Rev, Bob Vila?

 

[056kid]

He is unable to ascertain the wind is a huge factor in this case and is the predominant factor. What ever wedge he would use I'm sure it would be a loooooooong one. I'd think it would be dang hard to wedge those sloping back cuts he uses, at least the FS guy can make a level back cut.

Nothing happens, all you do with a wedge in a sloping back cut is separate the wood fibers , like splitting fire wood

 

[paccity]

village idiot.

 

[lfnh]

Nothing happens, all you do with a wedge in a sloping back cut is separate the wood fibers , like splitting fire wood

...and kick it off the stump - into limb lock or uncontrolled fall in some random direction.

 

[HILLBILLYREDNEC]

The point of the first video is they should have used 6" wedges. A 6" wedge has the ability to provide lift quicker on smaller tree. The video showed that the wedges bottomed out on the hinge and failed to provide the needed lift, now if they had only the long wedges they should have side wedged the tree. Knowing how to select the correct type and length of wedge is very important skill to have when felling trees.

 

[056kid]

Mother ####er, you don't know ####, now quit trying to act like you do, you remind me of that dude that kept asking how much horse power his McCulloch 101b could produce. He asked that same question probably 5-600 times. . . Now you just keep putting your 2 sense in and nobody wants to hear it. go jump in a lake, I'm going to have one more shot before I spark my last indian cigarette.

 

[slowp]

The point of the first video is they should have used 6" wedges. A 6" wedge has the ability to provide lift quicker on smaller tree. The video showed that the wedges bottomed out on the hinge and failed to provide the needed lift, now if they had only the long wedges they should have side wedged the tree. Knowing how to select the correct type and length of wedge is very important skill to have when felling trees.

I have tried to be upbeat and stay out of this, but if some unknowing person reads your cut and paste knowledge, they might get hurt.

So, what is the source of the above statement? If I were a teacher, I would swear you copied--or in this day and age cut and pasted your wisdom from another document. Plaglarize is the polite term.

Your funning around might get somebody hurt. Or are you also a surgeon/orthopedist who can patch them up afterwards? Then I envision you as also a skilled lawyer so you can sue yourself.

Wasn't this a movie or something? With Tony Curtis way back in the dark ages?