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Falling wedges. What's good, what's not, and why?
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:bang:dave k
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That may be, but, to be regarded as an equal or someone capable of learning you must first stop acting in the manner in which you conduct yourself !
Again I must stress that I have no ill feeling towards you nor gain any form of enjoyment from having to point this out to you, as I have said to you before you should go to a place and think about how your conduct affects our disposition towards you.
The only reason I engage in this futile atempt to make you aware of your shortcommings is so that we, the other members, can have a normal disscusion in any post but you seem intent in butting in with bizzare claims which detracts from the real issue.
Again I must stress that I have no ill feeling towards you nor gain any form of enjoyment from having to point this out to you, as I have said to you before you should go to a place and think about how your conduct affects our disposition towards you.
The only reason I engage in this futile atempt to make you aware of your shortcommings is so that we, the other members, can have a normal disscusion in any post but you seem intent in butting in with bizzare claims which detracts from the real issue.
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bitzer
******** Timber Expert
Ok heres some humble pie:
About a month ago or so we had the first (and until just recently) 95 degree day. Humid as hell and I feel like a pile of ####. I had to wait until my wife got off of work at noon to start this job so it was cookin. I had my little bro (15 years old) brush monkeying for me. The tree was a Paper Birch maybe 18" dbh and about 45ft tall. It was growing out of a deck and leaning pretty good out toward a blacktop driveway. It had a lightning scar running up the tensioned back side and I could see carpenter ants dart in and out of there periodically. Also the top 10-15ft was dead with several cavaties and mushy wood. I knew it was msuhy because I removed several widow makers by throwline the week before when trimming the other trees on this property. The home is located on a lake and the houses are planted right on top of each other. Because it was so hot everyone was at the lake that day. I had the homeowner and their friends and the neighbors and their friends on both sides as spectators. I had to pull some boards out of the deck so that I wouldn't have to color match them if they got wrecked and figured if I did any damage to the joists I could fix that.
I'm sweatin. Well I put the face in and realize I'm coming up long on the far side so I bust it out. So I've got a 1" gap on the far side and the pinch on my side. I had to leave a thicker hinge on my side and micro hinge on the far side to try and compensate. Steep humboldt btw. I deceided to bore out the back cut because of the questionable wood and left the strap on the better looking side. The last time I sharpened the chains for this saw though I had set the rakers a little low and she was awfully grabby forcing me to put more pressure on it as I bore. Well, I step back, trip the strap and off she goes, laying her out butt first like a newborn baby (thanks leftys for the humboldt!). I did not even break the stem and had only minimal breakage of the limbs.
30 min later my little bro is hot and pist from "doing all the work" and says to me right in front of the homeowner, "hey isn't that supposed to be straight, I thought you are supposed to be a professional?" Refering to the back-cut, "Why you little bastard!" is what I wanted to say. I told him, "not every stump can be perfect, its knowing how to correct your mistakes." "I layed it out where I wanted it right?" I've already taught the little punk too much! There was also no breakage of the joists which is another thanks to the boys on the left! Well here are the befores and afters anyway.
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About a month ago or so we had the first (and until just recently) 95 degree day. Humid as hell and I feel like a pile of ####. I had to wait until my wife got off of work at noon to start this job so it was cookin. I had my little bro (15 years old) brush monkeying for me. The tree was a Paper Birch maybe 18" dbh and about 45ft tall. It was growing out of a deck and leaning pretty good out toward a blacktop driveway. It had a lightning scar running up the tensioned back side and I could see carpenter ants dart in and out of there periodically. Also the top 10-15ft was dead with several cavaties and mushy wood. I knew it was msuhy because I removed several widow makers by throwline the week before when trimming the other trees on this property. The home is located on a lake and the houses are planted right on top of each other. Because it was so hot everyone was at the lake that day. I had the homeowner and their friends and the neighbors and their friends on both sides as spectators. I had to pull some boards out of the deck so that I wouldn't have to color match them if they got wrecked and figured if I did any damage to the joists I could fix that.
I'm sweatin. Well I put the face in and realize I'm coming up long on the far side so I bust it out. So I've got a 1" gap on the far side and the pinch on my side. I had to leave a thicker hinge on my side and micro hinge on the far side to try and compensate. Steep humboldt btw. I deceided to bore out the back cut because of the questionable wood and left the strap on the better looking side. The last time I sharpened the chains for this saw though I had set the rakers a little low and she was awfully grabby forcing me to put more pressure on it as I bore. Well, I step back, trip the strap and off she goes, laying her out butt first like a newborn baby (thanks leftys for the humboldt!). I did not even break the stem and had only minimal breakage of the limbs.
30 min later my little bro is hot and pist from "doing all the work" and says to me right in front of the homeowner, "hey isn't that supposed to be straight, I thought you are supposed to be a professional?" Refering to the back-cut, "Why you little bastard!" is what I wanted to say. I told him, "not every stump can be perfect, its knowing how to correct your mistakes." "I layed it out where I wanted it right?" I've already taught the little punk too much! There was also no breakage of the joists which is another thanks to the boys on the left! Well here are the befores and afters anyway.
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HILLBILLYREDNEC
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Nice job on getting it to lay were you wanted it. We all have stumps that are a little off. You used what work and it came out fine. Glad your safe and there was no property damage.
dave k
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That's high praise from a pro like you HBRN ............?
indiansprings
Firewood Purveyor
It's to the point where someone needs to deal with this AZZ CLOWN, before he gets someone hurt with his ignorant advice. This guy has to be mental, now he is a consulting gypo faller who is also a Reverend, a firewood cutter, unemployed, ranch hand, climber, repair man, what in the holy hell is it going to be next. I can tell you where he needs a wedge drove............but that would just get me banned to his satisfaction.
All this joker has to do is post or pm some references to one of the guys in his area, hell he'll never do that because he has none, nada, zip. He's cut one tree down in his front yard and is the know all end all expert on falling and wedge use. What a pathetic joke. He need's to get out of his parents basement and post some video of him falling.......hell, I'm looking forward to his instructional series on here on how to Fark up a perfectly good tree. With so many chain saws and wedges hanging out his azz I'm sure it will be no problem for him, if I lived out there, hell I'd furnish the tree for you to butcher. What a joke, it is absolutely pathetic that the professional fallers on here have to put up with this guys nonsense.
All this joker has to do is post or pm some references to one of the guys in his area, hell he'll never do that because he has none, nada, zip. He's cut one tree down in his front yard and is the know all end all expert on falling and wedge use. What a pathetic joke. He need's to get out of his parents basement and post some video of him falling.......hell, I'm looking forward to his instructional series on here on how to Fark up a perfectly good tree. With so many chain saws and wedges hanging out his azz I'm sure it will be no problem for him, if I lived out there, hell I'd furnish the tree for you to butcher. What a joke, it is absolutely pathetic that the professional fallers on here have to put up with this guys nonsense.
Maybe if the mods gave him his own thread...? He could post all he wanted to there, but no other place. We, of course, could respond.
The mods could put a "Caution...this thread contains bad information, role playing, and outright lies" tag on it...just to keep the newbies safe.
The mods could put a "Caution...this thread contains bad information, role playing, and outright lies" tag on it...just to keep the newbies safe.
RandyMac
Stiff Member
Eh, time to go elsewhere.
Nope...if we do that, he wins.
I always suspected it may have been his intentions all along.
RandyMac
Stiff Member
Don't recall if the question of cold weather wedges was brought up in the previous 490 posts. Just wondering what some use in the cold (less than +15) and frozen wood, for bucking or felling ?
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I dropped a 3 1/2 foot diameter pine tree this week , it had a heavy side and hard lean towards a swamp so the contractor did not want to run his excavator there so I did a conventional face cut with a flat back cut using 3 wedges to keep the bar from being pinched and then the JD200 was used to tip it over . The excavator operator couldn't believe how smoothly it went .
Was that allowed ?
Was that allowed ?
Here's a big yeller wedge being used.
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Ice wedges?
But seriously, I was browsing through all of the similar looking wedges in one of the non-sponsor site's catalog and they had this description:
Double Taper Super-Tuff wedges are made of tough poly plastic. This is a softer material than ABS.
They are a good choice when working in cold conditions. We have never had a broken one, but because
they are soft, the heels tend to "beat over" more quickly than ABS wedges.
Can't vouch for them personally, but makes sense that some plastics would do better than others. They also had aluminum wedges (just don't lick them when its really, really cold!).
Still want to find some blue wedges now that I have seen them in this thread! Maybe I can trade some of my credits for one?
Philbert
Contact Rev HBRN for blessed blue wedges.
Minus 15 ??!! I don't think I'd be anywhere but in front of the wood stove.
I have used plastic wedges in temperatures well below freezing and they tended to break if not hit squarely. I don't know if that was a function of the cold or just me being ham-handed and in a hurry to get done.I'll bet some of our Eastern brethren could tell us about minus 15 degrees. I can't. And that's a good thing.
Yup.
Minus 15 ??!! I don't think I'd be anywhere but in front of the wood stove.
I'll bet some of our Eastern brethren could tell us about minus 15 degrees. I can't. And that's a good thing.
Meant less than +15. Sorry for the confusion.
Went back and fixed up the original question. Thanks.
btw,
Have cut at -15, mostly cause I didn't anticipate heating needs and wasn't smart enough to cut more sooner - when alot younger. Just fond memories now. :smile:
Minus 15 ??!! I don't think I'd be anywhere but in front of the wood stove.
I'll bet some of our Eastern brethren could tell us about minus 15 degrees. I can't. And that's a good thing.
I find the plastic wedges brittle at 23f and get worse as it gets colder .
We usually don't get lower than -5f here and that's cold enough for me .
