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I'm still working that out for myself...I tried to destroy my Proyama top handle last year to no effect. Not with negligence, but by bucking 10-12" stuff over and over and over and over. Butt to tip. Huh. Just cut..🤷‍♂️ Still cutting.. I'm only on my second chain on that one, so...still testing.. I bet those real zenoahs are a very, very nice saw.

Couldn't find a used tophandle in these parts if I tried..

No holtzforma's here. So I don't know about that.

Prob got bad advice for people that pretend to know on YouTube.

There's so much of that it is ridiculous. And so many of them get free stuff to critique. Not necessarily an honest situation.
 
I have this exact model, on 5th tank so far, and love it... Starts on 1st-2nd pull everytime, and hot starts no problem. I did install a Tsumura 14 inch bar and yellow chain. If cutting dirty/sandy wood (in FL) use Amazon cheapo chain. Another great Zenoah clone, believe the Chinese can copy simple Japanese saw better than complex German stuff (stihl) to reliably run right.
 
I have this exact model, on 5th tank so far, and love it... Starts on 1st-2nd pull everytime, and hot starts no problem. I did install a Tsumura 14 inch bar and yellow chain. If cutting dirty/sandy wood (in FL) use Amazon cheapo chain. Another great Zenoah clone, believe the Chinese can copy simple Japanese saw better than complex German stuff (stihl) to reliably run right.

I agree. The zenoah and Husqvarna clones are great. I don't like the stihl clones.
 
Correct. I have Redmax GZ400, GZ 4000 as well as clones of those saws (and the 3800) made and marketed by Ryobi Craftsman and a slew of orhers sort of culminating in the Earthquake saws.
All of these were clones of the Redmax saws that came with Zenoah engines and as Redneck said, had absolutely nothing to do with husky because this was long before husky acquired Redmax.
Husqy was in bed with zenoah (redmax same company, just the state side brand) for years before they purchased them in 2007. Zenoah also licensed their product out to a lot of other companies over the years, and produced saws/o.p.e. in both Japan and China. The ryobi, craftsman, mcculloch etc were fully licensed zenoah/ redmax products produced in China and hit and miss if the had a Japanese or Chinese engine in them. Non of them were really "clones." The John cutter, neojunk, etc are the clones.
Zenoah still designs and produces most of the smaller displacement o.p.e. for themselves and husqy. Saying you have a "real zenoah" because it's a pre 07 saw is basically bs.
 
Hello All,

Long time reader, first time poster. I wanted to warn everyone of the underhanded tactics Farmertec utilizes. I like most other people, could not afford a big saw for the little work i was planning on using, and could not even afford a used big saw that i could find. So i was lured to the Clone saw, especially the G395XP. I watched video after video, read post after post, and review after review. I was sold, yeah, i knew it wasn't a pro saw but for the little milling work i planned to do, it would be perfect, or so i thought. (Learn more about the desparity between good and bad reviews later.)

I was drawn to their website, but needed the saw quickly, and with their insane shipping prices, it was almost a wash to buy it on Ebay or Amazon with ultra fast ship times. So I made my purchase, and counted the days until my beautiful new toy arrived. The day it finally arrived, the package was damaged, and it cracked a little bit of the recoil cover, but hey i bought a new saw, I will contact them about that. The next day off, i took the time to put everything together, look for debris in the intake, check it out with a fine tooth comb. The oiler immediately started to leak, i think i got it fixed, but who knows. Then i noticed as many stated, the tensioner wasn't right, so i unthreaded the tensioner, and as i suspected, it was cross threaded, once i fixed it, seemed to work good. I fueld that bad boy up, turned the kill switch on, put the choke on and then began the 3 hours of non stop pulling (Off an on as its a big saw and it was kicking my butt). I pulled the plug it was getting fuel, but during the day it was hard to check for spark, but thought i felt a zap when i held on to it (Old farm trick), but probably the reason i feel these things still as it caused nerve damage. I played around with the plug cap, and noticed it seemed loose, and the wire inside didn't seem right, so i pulled it apart and put it back together right. I also noticed the plug was a cheap piece of crap so i bought a new plug, and the next day i would for sure get it running. After about an hour, i was able to get the beast to roar to life, i was so excited, but I knew not to touch it, so i lightly feathered the throttle and got her nice and warm before i shut her down to cool. I had run out of time that day, so i would go back the next day and do a couple of thermal cycles to break her in some. The next day, i pulled for hours again, it appeared to be getting spark, but maybe it was intermittent. I was finally able to get it to run and couldn't resist, ran over to a stack of logs and lightly cut through a couple, man this thing was a beast, but 5 minutes in, it stalled, never to fire again.

I spent days looking everything over, but to no avail. I took the saw to my buddies, we spent hours looking everything over, he thought maybe it had a faulty kill switch, and could see the carb was dumping way too much fuel, but other then that we could not find anything wrong. A few weeks later, i took the saw to a friend who used to be a small engine technician. He immediately started pulling parts off the saw, checking everything. He told me the magneto was junk, the kill switch was probably bad as it didn't have a definitive break when he actuated it, the carb was shot, and upon inspection, stated the cylinder had too much wear for only being run 10-15 minutes tops. He stated back in the old days, saw manufacturers would take defective saws back, fix them up (Aka clean them), and resell as new. He said that what had probably happened is the magneto started out good, then crapped out on the original owner, went back they were able to get it to fire, cleaned it and resold it, and it worked intermittently for a short time before FAIL.

So now i have a NEW? saw with a bad cylinder, bad piston, bad kill switch, bad magneto, defective chain adjuster, defective chain brake (Oh yeah, forgot about that one, im not a little guy and can barely get this thing to release), a possibly bad oiler (Never got to really test it), and a damage recoil. I had already been contacting Hutzl regarding this saw and getting a warranty replacement, they kept saying they would send me the parts, and asking me inane questions, requesting odd photos, telling me to pull parts off, take videos, etc. etc. I kept requesting a replacement saw as i no longer trusted this one, had already dumped large amounts of time into the saw, spent some of my money on it, and was informed the inside was damage, i mean what else could be wrong down the road. Then it all quit, no responses, i went to click on something else in their listings and it told me i was not an authorized purchaser or somethign to that regard, they had blocked me. I tried to place a bad reveiw, i couldn't do that either. I contacted Ebay customer service, but they would do nothing as because of their underhanded tactics, they had drawn me out long enough to get past the Ebay guarantee.

I then started to contact the parent company, Farmertec in China. Same tactics, they would offer parts, i would say no i want a new saw or a refund, then they would block me. Several months, and 3 or 4 different email accounts, and i am done, every account is blocked, they won't even answer me in their little chat on the website anymore.

So a year an a half later, i am out my money, still have a saw that doesn't run, they wouldn't send me a single part, a replacement, or a refund. Ebay was absolutely no help even though they made me feel they were trying, their advice has been to contact outside help sources. FTC, BBB, etc. but none of these agencies have any authority to make a resolution. And i can't even write a review on Ebay to warn people about their saws.

So I post this as a warning to all who are contemplating purchasing a Chinese saw, be very very careful. Have all of your ducks in a row, test that thing extensively as soon as you get it so you don't avoid the Ebay or Amazon safety net. And if you do not, at least do what i read about a few weeks ago, purchase the Allstate warranty on Ebay or Amazon for your saw, its only i htink $18 for 2 years. At least form what i read on there, they are great about replacing the defective items.

Good luck,

Joe

Sorry about the long window response, but i wanted to show everyone that i did my due diligence trying to resolve this through the proper channels, but what i learned is the warranty is as Tommy boy described it in the movie, a piece of **** in box labeled with a warranty because the word warranty makes you feel warm and fuzzy inside. And don't believe all the good reviews you see on Ebay, because before people can post a negative review, they block them so the numbers are very skewed in their favor.
I have never understood the urge to buy Chinese clones of any product. This has been a problem for decades.
 
I’m very sorry to hear this story. I myself am considering buy a clone saw or 2 in the future, not as a real work saw tho. I do feel you would have been better off buying a used running Stihl/Husqvarna/Echo for probably the same price or maybe one that needs minor repairs. Around here in Wisconsin I buy easily fixable saws for next to nothing all the time.
 
This is my G888's first tank of fuel back in 2022. I warmed it up a little with bar/chain on, got the bar oil flowing, and then put it into the 100 year old oak. This is how I break in all my saws. None of that "letting it idle for a full tank" garbage. It's still running great today.

I dont know where folks got that idle BS from anyways.

Got a sign for that right over bench 1.
 

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I dont know where folks got that idle BS from anyways.

Got a sign for that right over bench 1.
IDK. I've always done that. First tank 25:1 and Rev a small bit but idle through it. 2cd 30:1 and idle then 40:1 and cut half-3/4 throttle. Then away I go. Probably doesn't need it.

I've had good luck with the clones but besides the first $89 no name I get Husky clones. The 372xp and 395xp run fine except the oilers do not impress me. The 543xp I just bought is a problem. Shipped with no air filter, recoil broke first couple of pulls. Neo Tech has done nothing so bought the parts myself. Paid $130 for the saw and cost me $29 for the parts so I have a saw for $160. Runs great though, with very little adjustments.
Cheap Chinese clones are a good way to learn how to tear down and fix a saw without practicing on a $750 and up unit.
 
If our farmers took yuan for their exports they wouldn't need dollars. But our farmers would really like payment in dollars.

I guess we could stop buying things from China. But then they couldn't buy our stuff.

Works both ways
 

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