Government reaching to govern wood burning consumers

[EchoShindaiwaMakitaDolmar]

Well freedom of speech is not an exclusive American right so guess what? Tough luck. You are just a childish entitled whinger who is trying to silence me because you are butthurt about my opinion. You can keep crying

The U.K., including England, doesn't have free speech- you have controlled speech with plenty of 'hate speech' laws, and many many multi-generation U.K. Citizens have been arrested for what is simply free speech.

You are a subject to your authoritarian government. We Americans are Citizens in a constitutional republic.

 

[SS396driver]

The U.K., including England, doesn't have free speech- you have controlled speech with plenty of 'hate speech' laws, and many many multi-generation U.K. Citizens have been arrested for what is simply free speech.

You are a subject to your authoritarian government. We Americans are Citizens in a constitutional republic.

Didn’t the police chief in London threaten to extradite American citizens for online posts ?

 

[EchoShindaiwaMakitaDolmar]

That sounds like something my immature students would tell me "I can do it if I want to"
That said, sure you can, just like I can call you a troll all you want. You can post them on here all day long, I can say you are trolling about things that don't concern you and that you. The moderators and site owners can allow either of use to post, or ban us- since they have the freedom to do so.

I believe you are trolling, about something that is really of little to no impact to you as you don't live here. When you show up having just joined a arborist forum and immediately start arguing about affairs in a foreign country, I'm going to call it like I see it.

And no, I don't have the same beliefs about freedom for any English citizen (or anyone who isn't a US citizen) as I do for myself. I believe in constitutionally protected freedoms, for myself and my countrymen. We have plenty of freedoms that you don't have in your country, and I frankly don't care what freedoms you do or don't have, as the power to change that for yourself rests in your hands.

I also don't give a rat's behind what you, or any other person who isn't a US citizen, thinks about our government or what happens here, because you and your opinions are irrelevant to the entire affair.

I agree... The foreigner was here a week and had a bunch of posts in essentially two threads- in this one he acted like a know it all, bashed Trump and treated all of us like trash, and in the other he appeared to be marketing a Bulgarian chainsaw as if it were made in Germany and owned by Metabo/Hitachi. When called out as anyone would expect, he plays the innocent victim, throws insults, and shows no hint of humility, no sign of social awareness.

I'm just going to put him on my ignore list because he should be on other social media promoting true freedom for the British/Tommy Robinson, and denouncing the biggest U.K. political scandal in the last century- the coverup by the U.K. gov't of the Paki rape gangs.

 

[Sidecarflip]

Back on subject, wood burning appliances built after xx date, all have to be equipped with a catalytic combustor in the lower flue and be apprised that when your present appliance wears out or you replace it with a new one, it will have the combustor installed per EPA mandate.

 

[EchoShindaiwaMakitaDolmar]

Didn’t the police chief in London threaten to extradite American citizens for online posts ?

Yes! And many many British have been arrested for simply expressing concern about the paki rape gangs that have assaulted tens if not hundreds of thousands of British kids and young adults.

 

[SS396driver]

Back on subject, wood burning appliances built after xx date, all have to be equipped with a catalytic combustor in the lower flue and be apprised that when your present appliance wears out or you replace it with a new one, it will have the combustor installed per EPA mandate.

My Drolet 2000 stove has no cat in it and it’s EPA certified . I bought it several years ago and it’s still sold today

 

[Let her rip]

The U.K., including England, doesn't have free speech- you have controlled speech with plenty of 'hate speech' laws

I see, and you are here to enforce those laws Mr internet policeman? Is that what you are trying to say? That I have no free speech here because you said my government doesn't allow it?
Unlike you I couldn't care less about corrupt politicians I have equal contempt for them all no matter where they are from. My freedom of speech isn't granted to me by anyone, and it certainly isn't revoked by keyboard warriors like you. So kindly, once again, stop trying to gag me because you are butthurt about my opinion. I have one and I am very much entitled to it so deal with it

 

[Sidecarflip]

Our Constitutional Republic has it's faults assuredly but, I'd never want to live in England with the form of government they have. Al least here we as citizens, have some voice in government and can elect politicians that we hope represent those views and if they don't we can choose not to elect them and elect some one else instead.

I don't see that happening in England at all.

Kind of parallels what is transpiring in Canada presently. Canadians are going to effect a radial change in leadership or will try to by electing a new leader. I see Trudeau resigned, he must realize the end for him is coming one way or another.

Always better to resign or quit than be removed or terminated.

Finally, I just ignored the person from England's comments as they weren't germane to us here anyway and basically contributed to thread drift.

 

[Let her rip]

he acted like a know it all, bashed Trump and treated all of us like trash

Look at you desperately reaching out to the rest of the community trying to turn them against me and make them think that I somehow attacked everyone. I didn't treat anyone like trash, I stated an opinion about Musk not Trump, and because you don't have a single intelligent thing to say to defend your messiah your only argument is that I am a know it all.

 

[Sidecarflip]

My Drolet 2000 stove has no cat in it and it’s EPA certified . I bought it several years ago and it’s still sold today

In as much as I'm not well versed in what is required, all I did was to state the EPA mandate. I don't burn wood for heat, never have and our supplemental heat is via 2 pellet stoves which don't require a catalytic combustor at all and are about 85% efficient. Particulate emissions (smoke) is almost nill and they produce little to no creosote. In actual use, they produce CO and a dry ash, Not being a greenie, far as I'm concerned, CO isn't a terrible emission as plant life requires CO for photosynthesis anyway.

So long as any manufacturer can meet or exceed the Federally mandated emissions requirements, I guess they don't have to presently but, if the emissions mandates get more stringent, they may very well have to modify their designs to comply.

Exactly what happened to farm and utility tractors. To meet the EPA requirements they had to adopt more complex emissions control systems just like automobile manufacturers did. Older non emissions units are still in use (I have a couple) but if I was to replace them with new, they would have to be emissions correct opr they could not even be sold.

Do I like the requirements, certainly not but the way it is, is the way it is.

 

[SS396driver]

Secondary burn stoves are as efficient or better than cats stoves in removing particulates from the exhaust . My stove only smokes a bit of smoke when you add wood and only for a short time . 99% of the time there is no smoke .

 

[wildwes]

Well freedom of speech is not an exclusive American right so guess what? Tough luck. You are just a childish entitled whinger who is trying to silence me because you are butthurt about my opinion. You can keep crying

You are absolutely hilarious. And reading comprehension obviously isn't you strong suit. Freedom of speech might not be solely an American right, but you most certainly don't have it in the UK. Either way, I am certainly not trying to silence you, nor crying. I am happy for you to keep posting your ridiculous drivel, as it give me entertainment to read such foolishness. Post away.

If that is the case then kindly shut up about my opinions and stop trying to silence me as if you are the internet police

Nah, I don't think I will shut up, and even if I had planned to, I certainly wouldn't just because you think you have the authority to tell me too.
Never claimed to be the internet police, but you certainly seem to get upset when others call you out on the bull excrement that you post so abundantly. It's very comical how wound up you get, and then you start projecting all of your own traits on the rest of us on here who see through your facade. Carry on, by all means, I know I will certainly enjoy responding to your childish attempts at insults.

The U.K., including England, doesn't have free speech- you have controlled speech with plenty of 'hate speech' laws, and many many multi-generation U.K. Citizens have been arrested for what is simply free speech.

You are a subject to your authoritarian government. We Americans are Citizens in a constitutional republic.

Exactly. Much harder to restrict here where freedom of speech is a constitutionally enshrined right, despite the left's best efforts.

Didn’t the police chief in London threaten to extradite American citizens for online posts ?

Certainly did, which was a hollow threat. It'd be fun to see them try to make good on it

 

[wildwes]

Got to admit I would be pretty stoked to have anyone other than sleepy Joe representing my country

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Finally, something we can agree on.
Although I would exclude Kamala "The Ho" Harris, Gavin Newsome, Gretchen Whitmer, Roy Cooper, Ralph Northam, and a few others- they're just as bad as **** Joe, but mentally together enough to do even more damage.

 

[Let her rip]

Freedom of speech might not be solely an American right, but you most certainly don't have it in the UK. Either way, I am certainly not trying to silence you,

I have freedom of speech in the UK, in America, and everywhere else I go. As I told you before I do not need permission from anyone to have freedom of speech unlike you apparently. And funny (not funny) how you are now changing your stance and claiming that you haven't been trying to silence me after blatantly telling me that I should not be talking about US politics which started this whole sheetshow of you harassing me over multiple threads, changing your story every other post and lying through your teeth to try and create a spectacle.
Look I dissed your idol Elon, he is a fraud and a fake. and I stand by that. Deal with it, take it on the chin like a man. Grow some balls and stop chasing me around this forum like a child

 

[Let her rip]

Anyway you trolls are boring me now I am done replying to you would rather leave this thread for those who want to keep it on topic. Your boy Elon is a fraud as I have shown, Trump is gonna mess your country up even more than he did last time leaving you in way more debt than ever before, and you will probably cheer him all the way like the brainless rednecks that you are. Good luck to you

 

[wildwes]

I have freedom of speech in the UK, in America, and everywhere else I go. As I told you before I do not need permission from anyone to have freedom of speech unlike you apparently. And funny (not funny) how you are now changing your stance and claiming that you haven't been trying to silence me after blatantly telling me that I should not be talking about US politics which started this whole sheetshow of you harassing me over multiple threads, changing your story every other post and lying through your teeth to try and create a spectacle.
Look I dissed your idol Elon, he is a fraud and a fake. and I stand by that. Deal with it, take it on the chin like a man. Grow some balls and stop chasing me around this forum like a child

Again, you show your ignorance and foolishness. And again, reading comprehension is obviously not your strong suit. I have never once communicated with you on another thread besides this one, unless you post under another name. I also have not once told you that you shouldn't talk about US politics- I told you that you and your opinions are irrelevant to US politics. I'd challenge you to find anywhere on this thread where I have changed my stance on anything I told you. Spoiler alert- you won't, and can't because it isn't there. And I have made a grand total of 4-6 posts on this thread in total. I don't chase anyone, keyboard warrior.

And you also can't find me idolizing Elon Musk, or arguing with you about him, because I really don't care one way or the other about him.

I don't need any kind of permission to say what I want. I can, and do, and I am not going to be legally prosecuted for it, thanks to the first amendment, which provides me LEGAL freedom of speech. Sure, you can say what you want in your country, but you DON'T have a "legal" right to, and CAN be prosecuted for it if you say the wrong thing.

You seem to be merging my posts and those of some of the other folks on this thread, who are also calling out your foolish posts, and mixing them up in your mind to think we're the same person. That or you're just that confused....

 

[wildwes]

Anyway you trolls are boring me now I am done replying to you would rather leave this thread for those who want to keep it on topic. Your boy Elon is a fraud as I have shown, Trump is gonna mess your country up even more than he did last time leaving you in way more debt than ever before, and you will probably cheer him all the way like the brainless rednecks that you are. Good luck to you

Big words there, keyboard warrior

Very mature "I'm not getting my way, I'm going to stomp out angrily" stance you're taking there.

Bye then

 

[OM617YOTA]

This has been most amusing. Good for quite a chuckle throughout a hectic day.