spacemule
The Peanut Gallery
You're one of the most reasonable guys here Andy. You don't take things personally. You admit a crappy filter is a crappy filter. That's pretty impressive for a Stihl guy.
MS361 Airfilter problem !!! IMPORTANT
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You're one of the most reasonable guys here Andy. You don't take things personally. You admit a crappy filter is a crappy filter. That's pretty impressive for a Stihl guy.
Lakeside53
Stihl Wrenching
Incomming!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So... why don't Huskys with air-injection" last longer then their Stihl brothers?
opcorn:opcorn:opcorn:
why.. could it be that the air injection does squat to the very fine low weight dust.. the stuff that flys thought the filters???
opcorn:opcorn:opcorn:
I'm off to work - needs to wrestle with abused saws and sell a few filters:greenchainsaw:
So... why don't Huskys with air-injection" last longer then their Stihl brothers?
opcorn:opcorn:opcorn:why.. could it be that the air injection does squat to the very fine low weight dust.. the stuff that flys thought the filters???
opcorn:opcorn:opcorn:I'm off to work - needs to wrestle with abused saws and sell a few filters:greenchainsaw:
2000ssm6
Stihl User
When not taken care of a husky turns into "dirt injection", you have seen the pictures and can't deny that. The same thing will happen to all saws when neglected, Stihl, Dolmar, husky, it doesn't matter.........no biased facts there......
SawTroll
Information Collector
So... why don't Huskys with air-injection" last longer then their Stihl brothers?
why.. could it be that the air injection does squat to the very fine low weight dust.. the stuff that flys thought the filters???
I'm off to work - needs to wrestle with abused saws and sell a few filters:greenchainsaw:
LOL - you owe me a couple of reps......
spacemule
The Peanut Gallery
So... why don't Huskys with air-injection" last longer then their Stihl brothers?
why.. could it be that the air injection does squat to the very fine low weight dust.. the stuff that flys thought the filters???
I'm off to work - needs to wrestle with abused saws and sell a few filters:greenchainsaw:
Could be, but there are a lot of things that go into saw longevity besides a good air filter.
THALL10326
The Champ
Really, share those things Space. Explain to use why there are countless thousands of old Stihls outthere that look like they have been to hell and back but are still going strong. Expalin why the local saw mill outside of town here says only the Stihl will hold up under constant heavy use and they've tried them all, Stihl only for them. Must be them ole crappy air filters huh,LOL
Explain why the 361 is the most popular we sell and have never had a complaint about the filters. Everybody can't be wrong and you be right, sorry, wink!
spacemule
The Peanut Gallery
Tommy, you're giving evidence for the point I was making where you quoted me. What's all this talk about everyone being wrong and me right?
Stihl makes a good saw, and has a lot of good features. That in no way means the air filter in this discussion is a good one. Look what even Andy said. He said "I hate those filters." Is he wrong as well? Is this picture your idea of a good air filter set up? We've already established why you don't have complaints. You show me the saws that have been run as you said with the same filter set up as this saw and then you might have a point.
As far as other saw brands, I'm not even bringing them into the discussion. I've already voiced my displeasure with Husky's recent practices. Husky and any other brands, however, have nothing to do with this blatantly ill designed anathema.
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SawTroll
Information Collector
Absolutely not!!!!So... why don't Huskys with air-injection" last longer then their Stihl brothers?
why.. could it be that the air injection does squat to the very fine low weight dust.. the stuff that flys thought the filters???
I'm off to work - needs to wrestle with abused saws and sell a few filters:greenchainsaw:
THALL10326
The Champ
Tommy, you're giving evidence for the point I was making where you quoted me. What's all this talk about everyone being wrong and me right?
Stihl makes a good saw, and has a lot of good features. That in no way means the air filter in this discussion is a good one. Look what even Andy said. He said "I hate those filters." Is he wrong as well? Is this picture your idea of a good air filter set up? We've already established why you don't have complaints. You show me the saws that have been run as you said with the same filter set up as this saw and then you might have a point.
As far as other saw brands, I'm not even bringing them into the discussion. I've already voiced my displeasure with Husky's recent practices. Husky and any other brands, however, have nothing to do with this blatantly ill designed anathema.
I agree that saw in the pic shows the fliter has not been doing its job. The pic does not show why. Is there a fault with that one filter or is it a fault with all filters like it. I have a 880 and mine shows nothing getting past it. You say ill desgined filter yet mine works perfect as do countless others so its not a ill design as you say for if it was the 044's,046's,066's,088's, 440's,460's,660's,880's would all be having the same issues, they don't. I agree there is something going on with that saw in the pick. To scream foul, poor design, over that one saw would be like me screaming foul all 372's leak oil like a seeve, they don't and I realize that even though I've seen alot more full orange leakers than I have Stihl fliter issues. That pic shows there is a issue to be solved with that saw, nothing more. The dirt looks as though its being pulled right through the very center of the filter where it fits on. Tends to tell me a poor fit or a loose filter cover during use.
Catching on to the business practices are you, I must give you credit, you call a spade a spade. That is a case of an enitire operation, not one air filter, good for you..
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spacemule
The Peanut Gallery
That has been the gist of my claim through this whole thread.
I must point out however, that I wasn't basing my statement on one saw. There are two saws with pictures in this thread, along with several others who claim similar problems. Furthermore, consider lakes's first post:
This is the strongest evidence in this thread to me of a poor design. Snow or not, that much crap should not be getting through.
spacemule
The Peanut Gallery
And just to demonstrate that I am not being biased in this, I'll give my own example. I own a 394 and an 034 Stihl. The Stihl has a filter that attaches with two screws and forms a tight seal. It does an excellent job filtering, better than the 394 in fact. The 394 has a filter that just sits in a slot and allows a little bit of crud to get by. The poor filter seal on the 394 was my largest gripe with the saw.
I have absolutely no problem being honest and impartial in my assessment.
I have absolutely no problem being honest and impartial in my assessment.
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THALL10326
The Champ
That has been the gist of my claim through this whole thread.
I must point out however, that I wasn't basing my statement on one saw. There are two saws with pictures in this thread, along with several others who claim similar problems. Furthermore, consider lakes's first post:
This is the strongest evidence in this thread to me of a poor design. Snow or not, that much crap should not be getting through.
If you go back a few pages I too said I don't even know why they make a snow filter. However in snow conditions where the wood is real damp that filter does work ok. Thing I don't understand is the fleece would too so I agree with Lake on the snow filter, I really see no need for it at all. Stihl must think there is a call for it but as to where or why is beyond me. I myself have two snow filters for the 361 that I ordered by mistake. I will never sell them because I know they aren't meant for use around here. I have to wonder if the dealer that sold the 361 to the man knew of the differance between the snow filter and fleece filter. If not thats a dealer error, not a design flaw of the manufacture. I've never seen a 361 shipped with that filter on it. Did the dealer sell the fleece filter off it and replace it with a snow fliter he ordered by mistake just like I did, him not realising it made any differance, who knows. The poster who started this thread jumped the gun claiming the 361 has problems, its very important he said, he was and is dead wrong. His 361 has a problem of having the wrong type filter on it, thats all.
The big saw pic has a issue, thats obvious. That saw obviously has a problem but I can attest from all the HD fliters I've seen, and there have been 100's of them, I've never seen one allow dust to get past it like that one in the pic. Tells me merely something is wrong and needs to be fixed on that unit. Two saws out millions made does not mean design flaw. If that were the case I have three full orange babies in the back room sitting in oil right now. I feel certain they do not have a design flaw but instead a problem that needs repairing, not a re-design of the entire unit.
Though some may not believe but a air filter works better dirty than one super clean, whether it be small engine or automobile. Once the filter becomes dirty the dirt itself actually helps prevent other dirt from getting through the filter. A prime example of this is a concrete saw. There does come a point where the filter will compact and restrict air flow too much and thats when it needs to be cleaned or replaced. Point I'm making here is those God awfull dirty filters the other camp screams about on Stihl saws are actually doing a better job of keeping dirt out of the engine than those clean ones they are always commenting about. Thats one of the reasons I always sit and laff at that video posted where the guys were covering the saws with chips. Apparently they just don't realise or know how a air filter works and when it works best.
stevethekiwi
Addicted to ArboristSite
lol of course a dirty air filter works better. if air cant get to it, neither can the dust. maybe new filters should come dirty out of the box?
ill stick to clean filters all the same thanks
ill stick to clean filters all the same thanks
THALL10326
The Champ
lol of course a dirty air filter works better. if air cant get to it, neither can the dust. maybe new filters should come dirty out of the box?
ill stick to clean filters all the same thanks
Then that must explain why Stihl holds 50% of the worlds market in concrete saws. Think about it, the dirtiest machine of them all and look who is perferred over all others by a 2-1 margin, someone knows filters, wink!!
stihl filters suck in my opinion. there is too much area to seal!
stevethekiwi
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2000ssm6
Stihl User
more ladas are sold than feraris... doesnt mean they are better
The lada being a husky? What ever a lada is.........Ferrari is how we Americans spell that other word.
stevethekiwi
Addicted to ArboristSite
more ladas are sold than feraris... doesnt mean they are better
I presumed that the referance of stihl > lada was obvious, my mistake I will be clearer next time
ok all jokes aside, does stihl really have 50% share of concrete saws? amazing
volks-man
Arboristsite.com Spooner
he is right. at least in the home hvac situation.
as long as you don't get completely stopped up it will filter better dirty.
i will take his word for it on a saw.
You Stihl guys sure get defensive when something bad comes out about the "all mighty" 361!
I have seen the dirt bypass on the flocked filter so I dont think it is an issue with their snow filter. I am sure it is not on all machines but maybe they had a bad batch of cleaner bases? Dont know but I have seen this before.
I have seen the dirt bypass on the flocked filter so I dont think it is an issue with their snow filter. I am sure it is not on all machines but maybe they had a bad batch of cleaner bases? Dont know but I have seen this before.
