MS441 R C-M M-Tronic Review and Mods

[Andyshine77]

The 576 has a choke lever there but i'm not sure if you have to pull til it pops or what. Brad commented on how the 441 started but I can't remember what is was. It has 3 settings so i'm guessing no high idle setting.

The 441 has a choke, but you leave it on until the saw starts, you can't flood the saw, that's a big plus for inexperienced users.

wyk quit assuming I'm simply a cookie cutter, or that I'm bias. Get it through your head, the 7900 is stronger in every circumstance, small bar, large bar, softwood, hardwood it doesn't matter.


I'll be running the 576-AT and making a video of it's first start this evening.

 

[mdavlee]

The 441 has a choke, but you leave it on until the saw starts, you can't flood the saw, that's a big plus for inexperienced users.

wyk quit assuming I'm simply a cookie cutter, or that I'm bias. Get it through your head, the 7900 is stronger in every circumstance, small bar, large bar, softwood, hardwood it doesn't matter.


I'll be running the 576-AT and making a video of it's first start this evening.

I can't wait to see how it runs. The videos will probably be up when I get to the room.

 

[WoodChuck'r]

Tu es loco en la cabaza!!!

You keep it up Brad you're gonna end up looking like Chevytown13 before you know it!!

 

[mdavlee]

Did you run it any this evening?opcorn:

 

[Andyshine77]

Well the 576 has a tank and a half of fuel through it, so far so good. The overall weight and feel is good, but like the 441, it's definitely larger and more bulky than the older 70cc saws. It behaved a bit temperamental the first minute or so, but that was to be expected, as the system sets it's self. I have to say this thing has ample power, I want to say more than the 441, but you know how that goes lol. This thing is extremely smooth, you can hardly tell you're running a saw and that is no joke.

Here is a video of the first start up. I was going to make some timed cuts, but I ran into a few issue. First it was getting dark, and I forgot to bring the spacers for the Stihl bar. Second the bar tensioner stud is too large for the hole in the Stihl bar. Tomorrow I'll get with Nik, he has a universal 28" bar I can use, I'll make a few timed cuts just for fun, as I plan on running the 576 more to break it in for a real comparison.

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[WoodChuck'r]

Someone who owns a 372xt needs to be forced to donate it for this thread.

 

[Philbert]

Thanks Andy!

Philbert

 

[the westspartan]

Looking good Andre! I am interested to see how much it gains with break-in. I have a run a 575 a few times and the 576 AT only once. I wasn't overly impressed with the power of the 576 compared to a stock 441 (non-M-tronic) it didn't seem as strong in 20" +- wood. It was a real nice running saw and super smooth, but just didn't seem to have the grunt I expected. It was pretty new, so that may have been the issue. I'll be watching for the comparison.

 

[Andyshine77]

One more thing of note, I'm a firewood cutter, and the only thing the wrap or half wrap handle does is get in the way. Now don't get on me if you like wrap handles, I can see how fallers need them, they're just not for me.

 

[blsnelling]

How's the throttle response? BTW, you've already put as much fuel through the 576 as the 441 has had.

 

[Andyshine77]

Looking good Andre! I am interested to see how much it gains with break-in. I have a run a 575 a few times and the 576 AT only once. I wasn't overly impressed with the power of the 576 compared to a stock 441 (non-M-tronic) it didn't seem as strong in 20" +- wood. It was a real nice running saw and super smooth, but just didn't seem to have the grunt I expected. It was pretty new, so that may have been the issue. I'll be watching for the comparison.

Hi Dan good to hear from you.

At this point I feel the 567 has at least as much bottom end power as the 441, but I could very well be wrong. In the video I was really leaning on her and she loved every minute of it.

 

[Anthony_Va.]

Looks like it's running pretty good to be so new. I like it. I like the 441 too. I would proudly own either one of them.

Ibet they run really close together too.

What kind of wood are you cutting in the vid Andre?

 

[Andyshine77]

How's the throttle response? BTW, you've already put as much fuel through the 576 as the 441 has had.

Watch the video you idiot.:msp_wink: I've ran the 441 more than that by a long shot, about a gallon now.

 

[Andyshine77]

Looks like it's running pretty good to be so new. I like it. I like the 441 too. I would proudly own either one of them.

Ibet they run really close together too.

What kind of wood are you cutting in the vid Andre?

Basswood, It's one the softest woods we have around here, but this piece is harder than normal. The comparison will be done in that very log, so it will make for a better test. Basswood grows straight, even and has few knots, it makes great test wood.

 

[blsnelling]

Watch the video you idiot.:msp_wink: I've ran the 441 more than that by a long shot, about a gallon now.

Hey, listen here you punk............:hmm3grin2orange:

I thought it looked like the 576 had sluggish throttle response. When in the world did you put a gallon of fuel through the 441? Must have been busy this week

 

[the westspartan]

Let me just throw this out there. Instead of the typical chainsaw comparisons of which one cuts faster, I propose a series of events that test the various merits of these saws other than just power.

1. Take the saws to the mall and have fashionable young ladies vote on which one is the prettiest.
2. Test the fuel efficiency by fueling both saws all the way up, starting them and letting them rip at WOT until one runs out of gas.
3. Test the oil flinging ability by stretching a clean roll of white paper across the drive way and seeing which can spray the longest rooster tail of B&C oil.
4. Noodle test.
5. Test the coolness level of the sound by running them at 5:00 AM tomorrow out in the front yard. See how many thumbs up verses middle fingers each saw gets from the neighbors.
6. Blind "taste" test.
7. Wrap the whole thing up by both Andy and Brad donning full body PPE and strapping 36" B&Cs on the saws and having a sword fight, first saw to stop for what ever reason is the loser.

Just an idea!

 

[Anthony_Va.]

Basswood, It's one the softest woods we have around here, but this piece is harder than normal. The comparison will be done in that very log, so it will make for a better test. Basswood grows straight, even and has few knots, it makes great test wood.

Oh ok. My shop teacher used to carve birds and things out of basswood. I remember how soft and easy to cut it was. Should make for a level playing field. Poplar seems to be about the same as that. Hardly any knots and very straight.
Thanks for the work bud.

 

[FATGUY]

Hey, listen here you punk............:hmm3grin2orange:

I thought it looked like the 576 had sluggish throttle response. When in the world did you put a gallon of fuel through the 441? Must have been busy this week

he's just lookin for an excuse. Damn Husky fanboy.:hmm3grin2orange::hmm3grin2orange:

 

[Andyshine77]

Hey, listen here you punk............:hmm3grin2orange:

I thought it looked like the 576 had sluggish throttle response. When in the world did you put a gallon of fuel through the 441? Must have been busy this week

I ran it a few times the other day, I want to do the same with the 576. No the throttle response is not on par with the 441, but it improved greatly as I ran the saw. Don't forget a MM not only helps, but also changes the sound.

 

[the westspartan]

Hi Dan good to hear from you.

At this point I feel the 567 has at least as much bottom end power as the 441, but I could very well be wrong. In the video I was really leaning on her and she loved every minute of it.

My experience was far from scientific! It was at a GTG just goofing around. We didn't time any cuts, it just seemed a lot easier to stop the chain in the cut on the 576 than the 441. However, they had different chains and, like I said the 576 was new, the 441 was a few months old at the time. It will be interesting to see some back to back comparisons from a unbiased tester.