MS441 R C-M M-Tronic Review and Mods

[komatsuvarna]

Just now got to watch the videos. I thought both the 441 and 576 looked impressive for stock saws.

 

[blsnelling]

^^^^^^

I'll answer that for him and say that any modern 5 cube will do.

What he said I loves me a 460, but that 441 C-M is mighty nice.

 

[FATGUY]

What he said I loves me a 460, but that 441 C-M is mighty nice.

I agree but even with my creamsicle googles, I can still see the 576 is mighty nice too.

 

[WoodChuck'r]

Nik is gonna owe me a raffle ticket!

 

[FATGUY]

Nik is gonna owe me a raffle ticket!

I'll gladly pay up, it's for a great cause. I guess we're going to need a definitive answer, if one can be had at all,
The just seem too close.

 

[mdavlee]

It seems liike with more runtime they both got a lot stronger. I guess there needs to be one more cookie cutting session to declare a winner from.

 

[porsche965]

MS441 C-Mtronic

An observation,
100 avgas
100 AVGAS - Just makes the saw stronger. When you make the switch you can feel it "surging" only momentarily, and then it settles into a pleasant idle romp ready to cut. It becomes more responsive and feels stronger is the difference I felt. But just with 89 Marine fuel non-ethanol she runs well too. Amazing.

I'm sure allot of vehicles do this very thing with fuels, elevations, etc. But in a small hand-held package like a chainsaw it is a hoot of a good time feeling and hearing all the small nuances that go on making the best possible outcome from each situation.

Eerie is a good word for the 441C M-Tronic. It's like there is a little man inside the saw directing what the saw does all the time. I'll post this observation to the "other 441 thread" going on right now. I've contacted a friend in Porsche R&D in Germany. I have a feeling that this could be one of their brainstorms.....they do allot of work beyond their own R&D for other companies in the world.

 

[Andyshine77]

I addressed the octane issue in the other thread, but I'll reiterate the fact octane has nothing to do with power. Octane is simply the fuels resistance to knock, without the proper compression ratio you will loose some power. A saw will need over 200 psi to require anything other than normal pump fuel.

 

[Andyshine77]

It seems liike with more runtime they both got a lot stronger. I guess there needs to be one more cookie cutting session to declare a winner from.

I'm working to that.

 

[blsnelling]

I tried 100LL. It caused most of my modern high revving saws to have poor throttle response that could not be tuned out. It didn't seem to affect my older slower revving saws. I won't use it.

 

[Andyshine77]

The led was also an issue, it coated the exhaust outlets pretty quick, it can't be good for you.

 

[mdavlee]

I'm working to that.

Keep it another week or two if you need it to decide a winner

 

[blsnelling]

I think I found what we need to make this a fair comparison. Is this what we're looking for? I really didn't think I had it. You're welcome to sandblast, clean it up, and keep it to use as a modded muffler and save the original. You're also welcome to hack it up and throw it away when you're done.

 

[the westspartan]

NICE!!!!! Now we can get some apples to apples! I think the 441 will still come out on top, though I have found myself considering a 576 in the somewhat near future.

 

[mdavlee]

I think the 576 will take the 441 with a muffler mod. In the hickory it less than half a second behind.

 

[porsche965]

Brad,

If ugly will win a race bolt that muffler on!

Great find, it will be good to keep these two as close as possible.

Has anyone ever wonder if the two saw builders Husky and Stihl are watching this with their note pads and pens? AS site should charge them admission!

 

[parrisw]

I addressed the octane issue in the other thread, but I'll reiterate the fact octane has nothing to do with power. Octane is simply the fuels resistance to knock, without the proper compression ratio you will loose some power. A saw will need over 200 psi to require anything other than normal pump fuel.

I'm simply amazed at how many people make that mistake. I work at a service/gas station. Over the years, I've heard it so many times, I just shake my head.

 

[Rudolf73]

[snip]

Has anyone ever wonder if the two saw builders Husky and Stihl are watching this with their note pads and pens? AS site should charge them admission!

I was thinking the same thing just the other day... They should sponsor these kind of builds because it will improve the sales for sure.

 

[Andyshine77]

Brad thinks for looking, by the sound of it mdavlee is game, now lets mod that can and see what she does in the wood.

 

[the westspartan]

Once that muffler is modded, bring out the 7900. I bet it ain't that far out in front of the other two.