I bet the EPA is at fault .
New MS 400 today. She’s HOT!
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There is no EPA reg on bar oiler output that I have ever seen.
I would bet it's just stihl pumping it's "green" cred. Also in other countrys like Australia and European countries bar oil is insanely expensive due to taxes funding their extensive welfare state. Saw users in those areas are probably clamoring for less oil usage.
That stinks. It would be nice if they didn't compromise.
Easy fix to upgrade them and I believe some guys can alter the stock pieces to achieve the same result.
Also I did find that the Sugi bars oil better it seems than the Stihl bar
No, but I should mention I open up the oiler holes on all my bars.
Thanks so very much Parkerpusher! Yes they do and yes I have my order in with them. They even have the 25" light bar in stock so it's a double win
. Have you replaced the oiler in your MS400 yet? I'm wondering if I should pick up those parts when I pick up the saw. Most of what we cut here is hardwoods; red oak, white oak, pin oak and the dreaded (by me) sweet gum 
. Some yellow pine trees that need to come down before they blow over. Really looking forward to getting to put the 400 through it's paces!If you plan on running a 25" bar I would upgrade the oiler.Thanks so very much Parkerpusher! Yes they do and yes I have my order in with them. They even have the 25" light bar in stock so it's a double win
What percentage more would you say?
Yup those holes are never big enough
I'll look when I get home .
Maybe 50%. I tried to find the bit I use to do this with no luck.
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Thanks so very much Parkerpusher! Yes they do and yes I have my order in with them. They even have the 25" light bar in stock so it's a double win
It takes a couple of seconds to see if the oiler is oiling sufficiently. Run the saw WOT with the tip inches away from a light colored surface. If you see oil being flung out, then you are good. If not then consider upgrading the oiler. I've yet to run my 400 (snow is melting fast), but I expect it to oil the 24" B&C just fine.
bwalker, Does the part no. include larger clutch cover and both dawgs? Thanks!
Yes. Also includes a plastic piece that adapts the saw to the old style clutch cover.
Well, that MS400 came home with me on Tuesday 
...so had to go put her in some wood. Had a 40ft sweetgum that had blown down recently at the pond so got it limbed and cut up.. Now this wasn't much of a test of the 400 but what a nice running saw. I am well pleased and think it will serve me and both grown sons well for many years. The longer bar is nice to limb down trees as I don't have to bend the bad back hardly any. Now to go and bury it in some Oak
...so had to go put her in some wood. Had a 40ft sweetgum that had blown down recently at the pond so got it limbed and cut up.. Now this wasn't much of a test of the 400 but what a nice running saw. I am well pleased and think it will serve me and both grown sons well for many years. The longer bar is nice to limb down trees as I don't have to bend the bad back hardly any. Now to go and bury it in some Oak- Joined
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Well, that MS400 came home with me on Tuesday
I'm probably almost thru my first tank full of gas. It is getting stronger every time I use it. Today, I took down the rakers a bit, and the saw was smooth and powerful in the pine I had in the yard. It is becoming a very nice saw.
You got the 24" B&C on it, right? Full house or skip tooth chain?
I've ran my 400c a bit now and to say I am impressed is an understatement. Very good any vibe and with a muffler mod it absolutely pulls a 24" bar with Stihl RS skip with authority. It's attitude reminds me alot of the 562 xp which is a good thing. Stihl 60cc saws have always kinda sucked in stock trim and this one does not.
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I put my 7th or 8th tank through mine yesterday splitting time with one of my old Mac’s clearing a nasty lodgepole blowdown. Awesome as always. I paid special attention to oiling performance of the 25” bar with the stock oiler. Stayed cool all the way through except for sprocket area was pretty warm, which I think would be normal no matter how much oil was being thrown down the bar.
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