Petroleum based vs Synthetic Mixes

[don]

I saw it in Walmart to !

The bottles were small ... around 4 ounces.

bwalker .. please explain to fish the difference between synthetic and the other stuff

 

[Fish]

Yeah please explain.
Saws are thrown on the scrapheap usually because they are burnt up due to lean seizure, not because they are "worn" out
due to using non-synthetic oil. Actually, I cannot believe any saw
failure could be attributed to using non-synthetic oil in the mix,
so why are we discussing it?
Now if you used splitfire plugs....... Premium fuel........

 

[stihltech]

oil

Dirt and lean mix are the killers, how does a synthetic protect against these?

 

[StIhL MaGnUm]

stihltech,


Thats a good question,I have never had any problems with conventional oils from stihl or husky,the way I see it is if you keep your carb adjusted properly,air filter clean,and the correct premix you should be good to go,I did however richen up my mixtures a little to 40:1 from the factory 50:1,I always run 93 octane in all my saws..

LAter Rob....

 

[tundraotto]

Re: oil

Originally posted by stihltech
Dirt and lean mix are the killers, how does a synthetic protect against these?

I'm not by any means saying that run your saw on synthetic at a 100:1, but at the regular mixes the synthetic has a much higher resistance to thermal breakdown. All this allows for the synthetic to lubricate at higher temperatures than "dino" oils. The results of this higher temperature tolerance in normal running conditions is much less deposits and therefore less engine wear. Due to this one can get away with much lower ratios than one could with dino oils - ie. its more forgiving.

This may not make much difference to the casual user - but for people who use saws until the compression is too low from wear (ie. full time loggers) this would be a good idea.

Cant do anything about poor air filter maintenance though....

PS. no-one has to run synthetic oil in their anything if they dont want to, just works better in the LONG run. Now Splitfire plugs - dont know anything about them...

 

[stihltech]

mix

I don't doubt that there may be better lubes for the all out modified, but for the normal working saw, I see no reason to spend the extra money. If you can prove to me that the oil is causing failure, OK.
I have had the occasional logger that took immaculate care of his machine. When he traded it in, the innards looked just like they did when he bought it, clean and free from wear. His chain was never dull, and his air filter is always clean.
It is all in the maintenance.

 

[logcutter429]

gypo i don't know how many times you've been told this but i was told, don't know it for true but once you start useing syn. you can't go back .

 

[logcutter429]

hhey forgot optimal is suppose to be the best out of Cloverdale, Ca.

 

[StIhL MaGnUm]

I log all day every day and have never had any problems with any of my saw's and they all get run on stihl or husky conventional oils mixed w/93 octane at 40:1,I've been thinking about running synthetics in a couple of my new saws and switching to 32:1 and seeing what happens though....I usually get 8 months to a year out of a saw before it's rebuild time...

Later Rob....

 

[tundraotto]

Re: mix

Originally posted by stihltech

I have had the occasional logger that took immaculate care of his machine. When he traded it in, the innards looked just like they did when he bought it, clean and free from wear. His chain was never dull, and his air filter is always clean.
It is all in the maintenance.

Yes this is very true, but the users I was referring to were ones who use a saw up in 6months - the full time loggers. Agreed the maintenance is #1, but the reduced wear will enable (with good maintenance) higher production hours from a unit.

As far as the extra money, mx2t costs about $3-4 per pint = thats not expensive.

 

[don]

I've been thinking about running synthetics in a couple of my new saws and switching to 32:1 and seeing what happens though

Might we suggest Motul 8002T at $30 a gallon plus shipping.


Designed to run in air cooled 2 cyl for low and high RPMs.

 

[tundraotto]

how much is shipping?

 

[don]

Company in LA

I paid $11 for shipping/tax from Los Angeles.

Read the past posts a page or two back.

 

[tundraotto]

sorry, I guess I should have looked back. That makes it cost $40 something for a gallon - thats expensive. Motul makes some excellent stuff but I dont know if the value for money is so great here compared to the off the shelf synthetic.

 

[don]

8002T is 15 top 16 a litre in the store

So MobilMX2T out hre is 5 bucks a pint 10 a quart and 40 a gallon at Kragen auto supply.

Look at the Poulan at Walmart 4.88 for 20 ounces. That would end up costing about $30 a gallon plus the cost to get it.

I would ask bwalker or some other pertroleum guru to find out is it is worth it.

I cruise the internet allot and went on several motorcycle race sites and they have the same discussion here (about what oil to race with). Every site (4 of them) praised how great Motul 8002T was to use and how clean the engine components (valves exhaust piston) were upon tear down.

Interesting enough Motul recommends 50:1 for normal riding and 32:1 for extreme riding/conditions. (25:1 for 20,000 plus RPM 2 strokes but actual have an oil for high RPM engines not readily avalable to the public)

 

[tundraotto]

well now you put it that way i guess its a good deal!! motul really has a good rep.

 

[stihltech]

mix

Maintain the saw, forget the fancy stuff. I would only spend extra money on better filtration, but a sharp chain will take care of most of that problem.

 

[StIhL MaGnUm]

I'll probally try synthetic in one of the new saw's I'm gonna buy soon,but I'm not gonna convert any of my others to it they can stick with the conventional's and have no troubles..I'm with stihltech "a saw is only as good as the maintainance it recieves"

later Rob....

 

[tundraotto]

Re: mix

Originally posted by stihltech
Maintain the saw, forget the fancy stuff. I would only spend extra money on better filtration, but a sharp chain will take care of most of that problem.

yes, yes and yes. AND use synthetic oil! its not a gimmick or a fancy fad. It doesnt really cost extra money when your saw lasts longer does it. It does not matter whether one believes in them or not because they do make a difference. Just like if one refuses to believe that its autumn, it doesnt matter what one beliveves if its autumn. No offense intended, but synthetic is pretty darn cheap. a gallon for $30? how much is the husky/stihl oil per gallon. The price difference is not all that great is it when you consider the benefits? To each his own.... I just like to maintain everything as well as I can, and this includes sharp chains clean filters, good cleaning etc. and synthetic at 32:1

 

[Fish]

Otto, otto, otto!
So tell us in plain english why this synthetic sham is legit.

The saw lasts longer?
Saying it is cheap insurance does not quite cut it.
You are over your head Otto. BWalker is not coming to your aid.
There is no proof/data that synthetic anything will help at all.
Let it rest.