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What do you think of this one Jerry? Shipping is a killer though
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That saw looks good but I would want to see a pict of the clutch side. Clutch covers on all saws are easy to crack or break and the rear handle, especially near the lower bottom edge can be damaged by a fall. Would also like to see the top handlebar brace on the clutch side, if its straight then ok but if its bent then the front handle is also bent. With those items cleared up it may be a very good candidate for a rebuild.
P41 Frankensaw work out today
Well, i ran the P41 saw i purchased from Tedd. it is like 3 saws put together and i honestly still do not know truly what it is. i did a crude measurement on the cylinder and came up with 48 - 49mm. it obviously has P60 top handle and air filter set up. the rear exit muffler and wrap around handle. Is this a Western option? anyway it pulls like crazy and i now have even more respect for Pioneer. it has a 24" pioneer bar/chain but the bearings dissintegrated in the sprocket tip and it broke in two pieces before i could finish the job. Can the sprocket tip be fixed or can i get a new one for it? 3/8 X 058. here is a pic. View attachment 274304IMG-20130119-00175.jpg
Well, i ran the P41 saw i purchased from Tedd. it is like 3 saws put together and i honestly still do not know truly what it is. i did a crude measurement on the cylinder and came up with 48 - 49mm. it obviously has P60 top handle and air filter set up. the rear exit muffler and wrap around handle. Is this a Western option? anyway it pulls like crazy and i now have even more respect for Pioneer. it has a 24" pioneer bar/chain but the bearings dissintegrated in the sprocket tip and it broke in two pieces before i could finish the job. Can the sprocket tip be fixed or can i get a new one for it? 3/8 X 058. here is a pic. View attachment 274304IMG-20130119-00175.jpg
It is a replaceable tip bar but those 5 rivit tips may be hard to find. Remove the bar and look at the tail end just ahead of the bar slots there should be some info stamped there. Maybe the manufacturers name might be there.
Jerry, yes all of the info is there:
507475126
24 NSW 058
82-11
24" X 058 X 3/8 -79 links
3/8 X 8 rim is this
is what is on the bar, i believe it to be a Pioneer bar. the chain says pioneer right on it. can you just replace the sprocket? either one would work for me. that saw surprised me and i have not even used the P50 yet.
If you like the P41 the P50 will knock your socks off
That type of sprocket was used on Pioneer bars, its a Pioneer Nose NSW BAR part number 475136 3/8-11, another tip can also be used as a replacement, Rivited Nose pt number 475635 3/8-11. They will not be easy to find as they have not been made since Pioneer packed it in around 1985.
Stephen, your P41 is about 5 different saws in one. Not a bad thing by no means. The bar is an original Pioneer. Like Jerry mentioned, the tips can be hard to find. Replacing just the sprocket can be done, but usually not worth the time/effort. I have a couple of those bars in the shop. I'll see in a little bit how close a windsor tip matches up.
Ed, thanks for taking a look, not sure which way to go with this saw now, I would like to fix the 24" bar for sure. I have a few questions. Can I run it with out the sprocket? What is the longest bar that the P41 will handle? Will a Echo 670 bar fit on the P41?.
I have never seen a Windsor or Oregon bar tip with the five attachment rivet pattern that the Pioneer bars used.
Question number one-no, the bar needs a tip to be used, the 41 can run up to a 36 but that depends on the type of wood being cut. The Echo 670 takes a D176 mount bar, the 41 takes a D007 and a KO95 can be adapted easily.
Jerry, thank you for the answers, I will be looking for a tip or other bar. Thanks again.
I know it wouldn't be a direct fit, but possibly be able to be modded to fit.
It looks like the closest tip to the Pioneer is the GB. Different rivet configuration, but I believe about 5 minutes with a grinder and drill press... it will work fine. I measured the depth and width of the 1/2 circle and it's almost identical. Plenty close to work with some simple mods.
The Pioneer bar is on the bottom.
Steve NW WI
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You guys might want to give treemonkey a shout. He was a Pioneer dealer back in the day, and still has some Pioneer stuff. I bought a couple NOS bars the last time I was down there, maybe he's got some tips stashed away.
I know it wouldn't be a direct fit, but possibly be able to be modded to fit.
It looks like the closest tip to the Pioneer is the GB. Different rivet configuration, but I believe about 5 minutes with a grinder and drill press... it will work fine. I measured the depth and width of the 1/2 circle and it's almost identical. Plenty close to work with some simple mods.
The Pioneer bar is on the bottom.
They do look real close to being a fit. We mostly used .404 chain on our Pioneers and I know that there is some .404 tips around here somewhere. I have a couple of vintage rollernose and sprocket tip bars in 3/8" but no spare tips in 3/8" .I actually never had to replace a tip on a Pioneer bar, they always outlasted the bar themselves.
Another bar that length will set you back a bit but they are out there. I know where some NOS Pioneer bars are so if you decide on going the new bar route send me a PM and I can put on to them. Ed might have some so give him a chance first.
Good to know as I am always seeking out Pioneer parts for my restorations.
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