Pioneer chainsaws

[fossil]

Forgot to add if someone here can identify the above set-up and can please tell me what chain I should get (size/gauge, and DL) would also be greatly appreciated. The saw again has a Pioneer P26 on the recoil, Pioneer 1074 on the chain cover, and Pioneer P25 on the air filter cover. That is why I am not 100% sure what make or model it really is as the id plate on the bottom was also missing...

From the Oregon site I gather I need a 66DL chain in .058. However, that number of DL given on the Oregon site also shows a 7 tooth sprocket, and mine is 8 tooth. Thank you again.

We all started in the dark at one point or another. I can see the dealer fear point of view. Calling most of the dealers around me village idiots would be an insult to village idiots.

I checked the spur on my 1074 and it is an 8 pin .325 spur. I think that's definitely what you have but the drive link count is going to be tough to determine as not all bars are equal.

You could always phone the dealer and ask if he has a .325 pitch, .058 gauge 66 drive link chain in stock you could try on the saw and go from there.

 

[PogoInTheWoods]

You could always phone the dealer and ask if he has a .325 pitch, .058 gauge 66 drive link chain in stock you could try on the saw and go from there.

.050 would also work for at least determining link count if the dealer doesn't happen to have any .058 in .325 pitch.

 

[Lou]

Sorry tact is not something the Air Force taught this MSgt...
Numerous posts have suggested a good chainsaw outfitter!
Jerry's post if you read it completely does not say it is a 0.325 pitch spur sprocket. Nor does it answer the gauge question or the number of drive links with any certainty.
No one I am willing to follow can look at a photo, or use a part number and determine exactly what is required UNLESS they can hold/touch said complete bar and saw...

I think lil171 is a young person that cannot yet drive. I also think mom, dad, or both don't think a chainsaw is a good thing for their child to have/use. If I lived close to Wisconsin and lil171's home I'd offer to give her/him a lift to a trustworthy saw dealer (with mom or dad's permission).
Lou
If I was still active, and lil171 was of legal age I'd welcome her/him to my team.

 

[fossil]

Sorry tact is not something the Air Force taught this MSgt...
Numerous posts have suggested a good chainsaw outfitter!
Jerry's post if you read it completely does not say it is a 0.325 pitch spur sprocket. Nor does it answer the gauge question or the number of drive links with any certainty.
No one I am willing to follow can look at a photo, or use a part number and determine exactly what is required UNLESS they can hold/touch said complete bar and saw...

I think lil171 is a young person that cannot yet drive. I also think mom, dad, or both don't think a chainsaw is a good thing for their child to have/use. If I lived close to Wisconsin and lil171's home I'd offer to give her/him a lift to a trustworthy saw dealer (with mom or dad's permission).
Lou
If I was still active, and lil171 was of legal age I'd welcome her/him to my team.

Well Lou,

He's 40 yeas old and lives in Manitoba.

He did post the markings on the bar,

Marks on the sprocket are : P1 23 J8 079

Marks on the roller nose bar : 474254
16 058
43
PIONEER

Take a trip to Manitoba and take him to a shop.

Just because you were in the air force doesn't excuse lake of tact.

I really appreciated the help I received from people when I was getting into saws and to me, this is what these sites are all about.

 

[Lou]

I was stuck on a sprocket nose bar... you and I both know those can be changed without a change of bar part number.
I just seems like a complete waste of everyone's time that will eventually require a visit to a good saw shop, or a post will appear on his local Craig's List (CL) offering to sell the wrong chain.
I peruse my CL daily and see about 3 a week.

 

[lil171]

Thank you again to those who have helped along my way. Also, thanks fossil for clearing up the misconception of my age, and assumptions of getting mom and dads 'permission'.

Lou, I most definately would have taken the saw in somewhere that would know their stuff, but as life is busy right now, and our hours do not work out all the time due to work and such, I have not yet had a chance to get there yet to have them verify this. It is still something I am going to do, just when time permits. I had originally hoped to get there by now, but no luck yet. But now with starting at a new shop next week, this may become reality, as well as I may find something else in that area. Also, I am not a big wood cutter so I do not need this saw, nor did I need it 15 days ago. It was just a fun little thing to get back running again that was offered to me at a garage sale and cut some firewood someday, as I have enough for a long time for bonfires which is the only place I use wood. Also, I would love to cut some wood, but here, I need to pull and pay for a permit to cut, as we can no longer head out and cut a tree as needed, unless on private land.

Thanks again for all your help.

 

[lil171]

And also just to clear things up again. Both chains I received with the saw will NOT be seen on our local version of CL. I will be keeping them in case I or someone else needs such a chain and then they will be used. I buy used chains online on our local version of CL, prefferebly ones I can use on my Poulans or Stihl, but the odd one comes along for the ride in case of 'one day'..... They are not worth much so would not bother selling a used chain!

And if anyone else feels that I was wasting your time, please let me know and I will no longer do such to you. If so, this is not, nor was it not my intention. I see I may have hurt someones last feeling here, and hope I did not do the same to the others that were trying to help me.

 

[Lou]

You were given sound advice about the saw shop by at least 3 different posters.
There were also many that liked my original post suggesting that.

When anyone chooses to ignore my advice I shrug it off (unless you're repairing an aircraft then there is no wiggle room) until they continue to ask the same question, then I get tense.

It's not the Pioneer chains I would expect to find on CL. It's the wrong number of drive length chains with perhaps the incorrect gauge and pitch that I see you purchasing for your Pioneer. I do not purchase used chains, that thought has never occurred to me.
IMO one chain of the correct length, gauge, and pitch is money well spent at a chainsaw outfitter. I have not since 1979 (my first saw) through today purchased a chain from a hardware/home center. I suspect most used chains originate at those facilities.

Best wishes and good luck to you.

 

[PogoInTheWoods]

Stand down, dude. Not the place to be exorcising your personal tension.

 

[pioneerguy600]

Hey guys, lets not beat up on the newbies. I have been monitoring this chain sizing problem for a bit and I have tried to interpret the OP`s posts and findings. He has tried to get the info I asked him for and I looked through my Pioneer literature trying to determine what he has on the saw. The saw seems to have been built from random parts, that is not unusual and some parts may not have come from Pioneer as OEM. I certainly do not mind helping any member, new or senior as this thread is where most members come to find info for their Pioneers.
I have asked the OP to place a .325 chain on his sprocket to check for a fit, his 3/8" chain does not fit and the numbers stamped on his sprocket does not tell us what pitch it is, most all sprockets I have handled did have the pitch stamped on the back. If it was an OEM Pioneer sprocket it would have the pitch stamped on the back. Pioneer had .298 pitch as well as .325 , .375, , .404 and 7/16 so there are many pitches it could be.

 

[Lou]

As I suspected. Thank you Jerry
If I were where lil171 is I'd find a 7 spline 3/8 sprocket to fit that Pioneer. I've considered upgrading my FarmSaw to that configuration. Doing that will not answer the gauge or length questions.

 

[pioneerguy600]

I for one like a mystery. Most saw problems are just so simple,we all have fixed them over and over and over again so there is little to no mystery left for us old hands. The OP`s question gave me cause to open and peruse books and folders I have not seen the insides of for more than 30 years, found info and things I had never seen before or seen and had forgotten. Great to have a mystery now n then.

 

[lil171]

Thank you very much @pioneerguy600 for your dedication to helping one out. Your efforts will not be forgotten. And once I get it figured out, it will be even more rewarding for me, and hope the same for you.

 

[p61 western]

Thank you very much @pioneerguy600 for your dedication to helping one out. Your efforts will not be forgotten. And once I get it figured out, it will be even more rewarding for me, and hope the same for you.

Good for you to stick with it, and solve the problem. I'm curious to see what you come up with.

 

[pioneerguy600]

Thank you very much @pioneerguy600 for your dedication to helping one out. Your efforts will not be forgotten. And once I get it figured out, it will be even more rewarding for me, and hope the same for you.

Do you have a .325 pitch chain, no matter who made it?

 

[lil171]

Good for you to stick with it, and solve the problem. I'm curious to see what you come up with.

Hi there. Thank you for the encouragement!

 

[lil171]

Do you have a .325 pitch chain, no matter who made it?

Sorry, I do not have a chain in .325 yet. This is the main reason I am waiting to get over to the repair shop in the city. If I knew deep down in my heart what it would be, I would order one online already. I just talked to a friend, and he too only has saw chain in 3/8 LP and 3/8", so that thought was out, as I was hoping his saw would be using a .325 pitch so I could at least take mine there to get another picture and see if that was it. Even if it was not .058 gauge as was pointed out earlier that any .325" chain would at least tell me if that was the correct size.

 

[pioneerguy600]

Sorry, I do not have a chain in .325 yet. This is the main reason I am waiting to get over to the repair shop in the city. If I knew deep down in my heart what it would be, I would order one online already. I just talked to a friend, and he too only has saw chain in 3/8 LP and 3/8", so that thought was out, as I was hoping his saw would be using a .325 pitch so I could at least take mine there to get another picture and see if that was it. Even if it was not .058 gauge as was pointed out earlier that any .325" chain would at least tell me if that was the correct size.

That is the only way I can see at this time to tell with certainty just what sprocket you have since it does not have the pitch stamped and no makers mark I can tell from the letters and numbers on it. Since it has 8 drive teeth I would only guess its a .325 pitch on a saw as small as a 51 cc version.

 

[fossil]

@pioneerguy600

Jerry,

There is a substitute OMC outboard coil for the 600 - 700 series saws. Do you know which one it is?

Thanks

 

[Hoggwood]

Got me curious about drive sprockets now. Went and checked a few - 1073/p28's. 1073 wearing a 7-pin 0.375". It must have came that way from the get go, as it is virtually zero hours saw - minus the paint that fell off from sitting for 4+ decades. But, I'd think that would have been the more ideal setup for the 2073. Dunno. Don't have a 2073. My other p28's all have 8-pin 0.325".

What is the general "rule of thumb" for fitting a chain. 5-6 links past the tail for 3/8? .325"? I know I've read it somewhere(s). I've swapped so many bars and chains around I've lost track of what came from what a long time ago.

Edit: Checked some bars. 7 links past the tail seems pretty standard.