Scrounging Firewood (and other stuff)

[MustangMike]

I never pull a muffler unless there is something wrong with my saw, or to check new ones or repairs. Two of the 3 saws a Tree guy gave me to repair last week had burned pistons, a MS 880 and a 192. The MS 460 just needed a pull cord, some starter pawls, and a tune up. I only pulled the muffler cover on that one to do a muffler mod, but checked the piston while I had it off and it was fine.

Yes, MS 460s are very durable, and no, I do not like them for limbing! But they are great workhorse/bucking saws.

 

[Logger nate]

Also elevation makes a difference on compression, most of my saws read 120-125 here and at lower elevation their 150+

Well you know they work cause I see them all over the place lol.

Looks good, how's it sound/run.
My new one doesn't say 462, it does say WCS though .

Lol
Thanks, seems to run good.
Not sure how long I can leave it on there, hurts my ears even with ear plugs, lol.
Those WCS covers are very nice and have good reviews. I looked at them but out of my price range and liked the idea of being able to replace the screen. How do you like it?

 

[chipper1]

I never pull a muffler unless there is something wrong with my saw, or to check new ones or repairs. Two of the 3 saws a Tree guy gave me to repair last week had burned pistons, a MS 880 and a 192. The MS 460 just needed a pull cord, some starter pawls, and a tune up. I only pulled the muffler cover on that one to do a muffler mod, but checked the piston while I had it off and it was fine.

Yes, MS 460s are very durable, and no, I do not like them for limbing! But they are great workhorse/bucking saws.

Its funny how obsessive guy will get with it. I do however get it if they have scorched a cylinder before, it can get costly, but thats also why I like to buy saws that haven't been messed with, if they've been running for a few yrs just fine they are probably all good except the normal wear and tear items and the lines which is all pretty easy and fairly cheap in the grand scheme of things.
Do you like limbing with the 261's? I keep a 20 on my ported 261 and its not bad limbing(some angle on the handlebar), but I still prefer the small huskys for that duty. Once you get into the smaller saws like the 241, 201, 200s(40cc or smaller) they handle fine because they don't weigh as much, besides husky doesn't have too many saws in that range I really like, same with the polesaws. I do have a great running 242xp thats modded, its a beast, but rubber mounts, have to unscrew the top cover to clean the filter, and the dreaded front tensioner , right Steve.

 

[chipper1]

Also elevation makes a difference on compression, most of my saws read 120-125 here and at lower elevation their 150+
Lol
Thanks, seems to run good.
Not sure how long I can leave it on there, hurts my ears even with ear plugs, lol.
Those WCS covers are very nice and have good reviews. I looked at them but out of my price range and liked the idea of being able to replace the screen. How do you like it?

Sounds great, you need some noise canceling muffs, the ones that let you hear when its quiet.
Mine looks good, I haven't ran it yet. O have 4 or 5 saws I need to get in some wood. I may get a nice elm log out I cut down, I think last spring, I saved it for 70cc saw testing.
Running this 2171 today as I need to get it shipped out. Put a popup meteor in it, it has some nice compression, the cylinder is an almost new oem and this is with a base gasket, my gauge is very accurate and that's before running it.

 

[djg james]

The guy just called me and I'm going to meet him early afternoon. So do I remove the muffler or not? Torques screws? He said I could do anything I want to it. I plan on using it mainly for the big stuff and for a little milling.

 

[chipper1]

The guy just called me and I'm going to meet him early afternoon. So do I remove the muffler or not? Torques screws? He said I could do anything I want to it.

Go ahead and remove it if he will let you, just be sure you don't let any carbon fall back into the muffler when your put it back together.
Hope you get it.

 

[cat10ken]

I had a 460 I bought new. I only kept it a few years because it was the hardest starting saw I ever had. It's a shame to take a new saw to the woods only to have to leave it set by the brushpile because it won't start. I would end up using my J-red 2186. I replaced the Stihl with a J-red 2172 and solved my problems.

 

[MustangMike]

Bring a T-27 and just remove the muffler cover. A small light will help you to see things clearly.

Most 460s don't have any starting issues, but I have seen some that will not "pop", and will flood and become very hard to start.

MS 460s are the mainstay of most of the tree companies around here.

 

[JustJeff]

Just take a chunk of wood with you and put er to the test!

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[svk]

Its funny how obsessive guy will get with it. I do however get it if they have scorched a cylinder before, it can get costly

That would be me. I have acquired 2 saws that "ran great" however were lacking on compression upon investigation. I have zero reason to suspect that either of them were knowingly sold to me as such. Therefore I verify on ever saw I buy now. Even on one that only cost me 100 bucks.

I do have a great running 242xp thats modded, its a beast, but rubber mounts, have to unscrew the top cover to clean the filter, and the dreaded front tensioner , right Steve.

Hmm I might need to try that saw....or maybe trade you something with a side mounted tensioner for it?

 

[djg james]

Well I just got back with a new saw. Longer drive than I thought. And I must be dyslectic. I posted it as being a 460 Mag but it was a 046 Mag. Might change your opinion of it. I even looked up the specs of a 046 Mag before posting.
Anyway, I couldn't check the compression because I could figure out how to get to the spark plug past that plastic shroud. I still have the rented compression tester, so I'll check it out tomorrow.
I did pull the muffler and I did see lines, but they didn't see too bad. I couldn't feel any ridges with the tip of my finger. See photos. Maybe I bought a lemon. After I got home and processed the photos, I could see more lines. I had a headache, so after driving 50 miles I didn't want to overthink it. I gave him his asking price of $450. Maybe that was too much. He did say two other guys wanted to look at it, but that may have been a ploy. He didn't seem to be jerking me around. He threw in a new Stihl 72 DL 0.063 chain with it. Also he said he's got a box with more in it after their move. He'll send them to me when he finds them. Maybe I bought a lemon?


P.S. Does this CA Disease go away now? I guess I got you guys to thank for getting it.

P.S2. It did cough on the 4th pull and then started right up. After shutting down it started right up the second time.

 

[svk]

I am sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but that piston is not good.

 

[Deleted member 117362]

No need to check compression, it needs an overhaul.

 

[chipper1]

I had a 460 I bought new. I only kept it a few years because it was the hardest starting saw I ever had. It's a shame to take a new saw to the woods only to have to leave it set by the brushpile because it won't start. I would end up using my J-red 2186. I replaced the Stihl with a J-red 2172 and solved my problems.

Do you use the decomps.
Surprised the 460 was harder to start than a 2186.

 

[chipper1]

Well I just got back with a new saw. Longer drive than I thought. And I must be dyslectic. I posted it as being a 460 Mag but it was a 046 Mag. Might change your opinion of it. I even looked up the specs of a 046 Mag before posting.
Anyway, I couldn't check the compression because I could figure out how to get to the spark plug past that plastic shroud. I still have the rented compression tester, so I'll check it out tomorrow.
I did pull the muffler and I did see lines, but they didn't see too bad. I couldn't feel any ridges with the tip of my finger. See photos. Maybe I bought a lemon. After I got home and processed the photos, I could see more lines. I had a headache, so after driving 50 miles I didn't want to overthink it. I gave him his asking price of $450. Maybe that was too much. He did say two other guys wanted to look at it, but that may have been a ploy. He didn't seem to be jerking me around. He threw in a new Stihl 72 DL 0.063 chain with it. Also he said he's got a box with more in it after their move. He'll send them to me when he finds them. Maybe I bought a lemon?
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P.S. Does this CA Disease go away now? I guess I got you guys to thank for getting it.

P.S2. It did cough on the 4th pull and then started right up. After shutting down it started right up the second time.

That piston don't look good, but whatever happens were here to help you through as much as we can .
From what I can see it obviously has an 046 cover on it, but it has a 460 fuel tank, I can't be sure about the oil tank, but if it's a flippy cap it's a 460.
It also looks like the recoil has been painted up. The main difference between the 046 and the 460 is the 046 has screw caps and the 460 has flippy caps.
I'd try to get in touch with the guys right away and post pictures in the text of what the piston looks like so there is a time stamp to show when you sent the pictures and I'd try to bring the saw back.
If not hopefully the cylinder will clean up and you can get a new piston. Before tearing into it I would recommend having it pressure and vacuum tested because it may have an air leak.

 

[Deleted member 117362]

That piston don't look good, but whatever happens were here to help you through as much as we can .
From what I can see it obviously has an 046 cover on it, but it has a 460 fuel tank, I can't be sure about the oil tank, but if it's a flippy cap it's a 460.
It also looks like the recoil has been painted up. The main difference between the 046 and the 460 is the 046 has screw caps and the 460 has flippy caps.
I'd try to get in touch with the guys right away and post pictures in the text of what the piston looks like so there is a time stamp to show when you sent the pictures and I'd try to bring the saw back.
If not hopefully the cylinder will clean up and you can get a new piston. Before tearing into it I would recommend having it pressure and vacuum tested because it may have an air leak.

Plus 10 on p/v check case before tear down.

 

[JustJeff]

Well I just got back with a new saw. Longer drive than I thought. And I must be dyslectic. I posted it as being a 460 Mag but it was a 046 Mag. Might change your opinion of it. I even looked up the specs of a 046 Mag before posting.
Anyway, I couldn't check the compression because I could figure out how to get to the spark plug past that plastic shroud. I still have the rented compression tester, so I'll check it out tomorrow.
I did pull the muffler and I did see lines, but they didn't see too bad. I couldn't feel any ridges with the tip of my finger. See photos. Maybe I bought a lemon. After I got home and processed the photos, I could see more lines. I had a headache, so after driving 50 miles I didn't want to overthink it. I gave him his asking price of $450. Maybe that was too much. He did say two other guys wanted to look at it, but that may have been a ploy. He didn't seem to be jerking me around. He threw in a new Stihl 72 DL 0.063 chain with it. Also he said he's got a box with more in it after their move. He'll send them to me when he finds them. Maybe I bought a lemon?
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P.S. Does this CA Disease go away now? I guess I got you guys to thank for getting it.

P.S2. It did cough on the 4th pull and then started right up. After shutting down it started right up the second time.

I think you did ok. Even if it needs an overhaul. Why don't you pack it up in a box and send it to mastermind. Get him to put the new parts in while he is working his magic. You'll get a fire breathing dragon back and the piece of mind that it was done right!

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[svk]

I would agree with chipper. I’d at least ask to return or for a partial refund. There’s no way that saw would cut right.

 

[svk]

I think you did ok. Even if it needs an overhaul. Why don't you pack it up in a box and send it to huskihl. Get him to put the new parts in while he is working his magic. You'll get a fire breathing dragon back and the piece of mind that it was done right!

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Fixed.

 

[djg james]

Well I don't know what to say. I guess I got taken. Goes to show you how much an idiot I am and I don't know much about saws. I had asked about the plastic tank and he said it was original. So maybe he knew the true condition of the saw. No way to contact him. It was through CL and the address goes away once the ad is pulled. I guess I could drive back to his house, but he'd probably tell me to go frack myself. Really disappointed. This saw was suppose to open up the door to a little milling. Sounds like it's would be too expensive for me to fix. This was pretty much my limit on buying a bigger saw. I guess I'll just run it until it locks up and then try to sell the carcass as a parts saw.

Thanks everyone.