Short bar-long bar, whats up?

[fishhuntcutwood]

Oh sure your technique for timber is not the same as ours in most cases.
reason being "Size"
A pice cutter out here can get by all day with a 18-20" bar and not think.
(wow I could have used a long bar).

Size and terrain. I'm from Indiana, and I know there's some very impressive dbh east of the Rockies, but the ground is flat and you can attack a tree from any side you want to, and forget ever having to use a springboard. Like I said, if we could use shorter bars in timber, we would.

For the firewood thing, I get alot of actualy merchantable timber that was snapped or cracked being stacked or limbed, so it's nicely stacked, clean, limbed and ready to go. I'd be all day if I took each log down and cut it individually. But I do have a couple of Timberjacks for a log here or there. They're a lifesaver.

 

[Haywire Haywood]

If you want to see a really hard limbing technique, take a look at:
http://www.skogforsk.se/KunskapDirekt/default.aspx?p=11362&bmp=11727

That guy must be from the California public school system... I think he's talking in eubonics.

Ian

 

[Haywire Haywood]

I like it. It showed me some nice falling techniques that in hindsight are the same as in D Dent's book, but I didn't quite grasp Mr Dent's drawings. I like it that this guy goes back and shows you the cuts he took on the stump after the tree is down. His face cuts are shallow, but tall. He also makes his back cut on level with the horizontal face cut instead of 2" high like I've been shown.

Ian

 

[Cedarkerf]

Weve got wonderful brush out here to. Black berry vines that grab and rip ya sme for Salmon berry, Salalle devils club Vine maple thickets. Its just a PNW thing I guess.:biggrinbounce2:

 

[manual]

I would not know witch forest would be better.
I do enjoy felling my own trees instead of working out of a log pile for fire wood.
Next week I can start up again.

Maybe I'll get a long bar too.......... Like 24"

 

[B_Turner]

Here's my morning. The round shown is 53 by 20 inches and weighs around 900 lbs so I can not really move it. I block it up and chunk it out in place. End up with a 20 inch cube in the pics.

First saw is 066 with 42 inch bar buried. See, I use shorter bars, too. Second saw is 371 with 24 inch bar that I generally dedicate to the the granberg mini mill to control plunge depth so I don't eat dirt. With fresh square ground, even the 371 yanks noodles right out of the round with a vengence. Great fun actually.

http://www.billluce.com/pumkinjpgs/pumkinjpgs/8546.JPG

http://www.billluce.com/pumkinjpgs/pumkinjpgs/8557.JPG


http://www.billluce.com/pumkinjpgs/pumkinjpgs/8563.JPG

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[chowdozer]

Here's my morning. The round shown is 53 by 20 inches and weighs around 900 lbs so I can not really move it. I block it up and chunk it out in place. End up with a 20 inch cube in the pics.

First saw is 066 with 42 inch bar buried. See, I use shorter bars, too. Second saw is 371 with 24 inch bar that I generally dedicate to the the granberg mini mill to control plunge depth so I don't eat dirt. With fresh square ground, even the 371 yanks noodles right out of the round with a vengence. Great fun actually.

http://www.billluce.com/pumkinjpgs/pumkinjpgs/8546.JPG

http://www.billluce.com/pumkinjpgs/pumkinjpgs/8557.JPG

http://www.billluce.com/pumkinjpgs/pumkinjpgs/8561.JPG

http://www.billluce.com/pumkinjpgs/pumkinjpgs/8563.JPG

http://www.billluce.com/pumkinjpgs/pumkinjpgs/8569.JPG

http://www.billluce.com/pumkinjpgs/pumkinjpgs/8574.JPG

Nice pics.
I hurt just watching you stand on that white plastic chair. I had one of the legs fold up on me once. It was not fun.

 

[Lakeside53]

Here's my morning. The round shown is 53 by 20 inches and weighs around 900 lbs so I can not really move it. I block it up and chunk it out in place. End up with a 20 inch cube in the pics.

First saw is 066 with 42 inch bar buried. See, I use shorter bars, too. Second saw is 371 with 24 inch bar that I generally dedicate to the the granberg mini mill to control plunge depth so I don't eat dirt. With fresh square ground, even the 371 yanks noodles right out of the round with a vengence. Great fun actually.

http://www.billluce.com/pumkinjpgs/pumkinjpgs/8546.JPG

http://www.billluce.com/pumkinjpgs/pumkinjpgs/8557.JPG

http://www.billluce.com/pumkinjpgs/pumkinjpgs/8561.JPG

http://www.billluce.com/pumkinjpgs/pumkinjpgs/8563.JPG

http://www.billluce.com/pumkinjpgs/pumkinjpgs/8569.JPG

http://www.billluce.com/pumkinjpgs/pumkinjpgs/8574.JPG

Nice... Hey Bill, you are going to need an 880 if you keep this up...:biggrinbounce2:

 

[B_Turner]

Nice pics.
I hurt just watching you stand on that white plastic chair. I had one of the legs fold up on me once. It was not fun.

I figured that standing on that chair would look kind of bad. Actually that particular chain is built like a fort compared to most and is really a lot more stable than it looks. No way would I stand on the typical plastic chair.

But good call and I probably should have gotten out a better stand. Or Photoshoped it to look like something else.

 

[Haywire Haywood]

were you running full comp or skip on that 42"?

Ian

 

[B_Turner]

Nice... Hey Bill, you are going to need an 880 if you keep this up...:biggrinbounce2:

Andy, after I am done working something this big and horsing all the blocks on the ground and then on the lathe, I swear I will not bring home anything this big. THen the call comes and I'm off like a bird dog that see's a bird.

I have really considered an 088 at times, but they take a different bar mount than my other stihls so being cheap has stopped me. And the price of a 60 inch bar and chains.

I had one moment when I first cut off the biggest round (had to have been around 900 lbs) and it looked like it was just for an instant considering rolling down the hill through my fruit trees and into my neightbors place. I had all kinds of wood blocking it, but I've seen those tall rounds take off with a mind of their own once they get going. Luckily an extra good shove with the bar and it fell over flat.

 

[B_Turner]

were you running full comp or skip on that 42"?

Ian

When I run my 36 and 42 inch bars I always run full skip largely because so fewer teeth to sharpen and better chip clearance. The saws will pull either if the depth gauges are set a bit shallow. In clean wood the full comp stays sharp a bit longer.

But especially with that 42 inch bar totally buried, my salvation is that I run freshly ground square chain. It cuts WAY better than round and it makes running long bars work so much better you can't believe it until you try it. Saw cuts like the next size saw, with less effort on my part and the B/C stay much cooler because less pressure is needed.

As I often say, folks that haven't run fresh square (especially on long bars) simply don't know what a saw can really do. Only time I don't run square is when I'm cutting a log that has been handled much by machine. The grit that gets ground into the wood forces me to use semi-chisel, and the whole time I am hating it.

 

[Haywire Haywood]

Ah, I haven't even looked into square chisel because I am barely competent sharpening round chisel with my Northern Tool grinder and also because I deal with dirty wood a lot. I can't see me having the patience to learn how to file that stuff by hand. I thought about buying a loop of it just to see how the other half lives and then just hanging it on a nail when it went dull. I seriously doubt that my local Ace Hardware has a grinder set up for square chisel.

Ian

 

[B_Turner]

Ah, I haven't even looked into square chisel because I am barely competent sharpening round chisel with my Northern Tool grinder and also because I deal with dirty wood a lot. I can't see me having the patience to learn how to file that stuff by hand. I thought about buying a loop of it just to see how the other half lives and then just hanging it on a nail when it went dull. I seriously doubt that my local Ace Hardware has a grinder set up for square chisel.

Ian

What alot of folks do is buy a flat top chisel with a square grind, and then when it's dull simply sharpen it round. Often it's actually cheap to buy square ground than round on the same chain.

Freshly sharpened chain is generally sharper than out the the box, though.

 

[Haywire Haywood]

OK, you twisted my arm. I didn't know you could just sharpen it round after trying it out. I needed to buy a couple more chains for my 346 anyway so I added an 18" loop of Oregon 72CL to my Bailey's order to try on the 361.

Ian

 

[Woodie]

I'd be amazed if this hasn't already been said a hundred times on this forum, but JUST in case it hasn't...

I love the East Coast/West Coast thing, although it reminds me of a different East Coast/West Coast thing.

Although I doubt you'll have any East Coast loggers pulling a drive-by on the Sequim show next month...

 

[Gypo Logger]

Here's a really short bar, I think the tip is half as long as the bar. It's a 13",1.6 mm bar with Stihl 3/8 skip.
John

 

[Haywire Haywood]

Diggin' up the old ones John?

Ian

 

[Gypo Logger]

Yes, I've been using the search function quite a bit lately and theres some good threads I missed out on. lol
John

 

[Tzed250]

Diggin' up the old ones John?

Ian

Yes, I've been using the search function quite a bit lately and theres some good threads I missed out on. lol
John

Most of the newer threads are slim picken's on substance...