the all aussie dribble thread!

[ausneil 1]

Thats wright mate,you can always update later and the cheaper scopes are a whole lot better then they used to be

I have seen that story before Dave, most hunters know mates who fall into that category.
I have cheap scopes, mainly because I'm not a serious hunter, just a ferrel controller when required.
No I cannot shoot a wild dog off the next ridge between the eyes on the trot but I am quite capable of following one round till I can hit him somewhere then finish him with a follow up round.
Pigging with my boys is tops, finding the black buggers is half the fun and seeing your boy get his 1st is priceless.

Of coarse for those who are happy to spend more for a better product then that's great too and I'm sure better success will follow. Question is when do you stop looking, wondering and just be happy with what you already own.

 

[WidowMaker_1]

Of coarse for those who are happy to spend more for a better product then that's great too and I'm sure better success will follow. Question is when do you stop looking, wondering and just be happy with what you already own.

all depends what your into mate, some blokes spend all there cash at the pub on beer n smokes , some save it for when there dead ..others play golf or get into the sport of shooting, you yourself get into the chainsaw racing ...its just money in the end , we cant take it with us

 

[MCW]

Optical quality is a funny one. I know the old Tasco World Class was mentioned above but I have a 6 x 40 on my Ruger 77/22 and it does the job well. I did try a more expensive scope but the ocular end had too large of a diameter and the bolt handle kept hitting it so I stuck with the World Class. Can't remember the last time I had to sight it in. A World Class on a 300m+ rifle would be a waste of time.
It depends on what you want to do and how tricky you get. If you have a rangefinder, chronograph, hand load everything (properly), and use a ballistic's program you can really start pushing the boundaries of range.
My ex girlfriend's old man had a Tikka in .17 Remington. He used to brag how he never missed a shot and rub it in when I'd tell him I'd missed the odd one. Anyway the first time I went spotlighting with him we saw a cat in the spotlight about 150m away. I stopped the ute and he said "Get closer". He kept telling me to get closer until we were about 60m away. Bang - dead cat. This went on all night and I doubt he took a shot with the .17 past 80m. Then he had the audacity to brag that he didn't miss a shot.
It's like bragging about never crashing a car when you don't actually drive over 20kph.
I don't find any joy barrelling a rabbit at 80m with the .25/06 but I do with the .22 long rifle. I don't find any joy hitting a rabbit at 200m with the .25/06 but I do with the .222 CZ527. I do start enjoying myself with the .25/06 and .22/250 Ackley when I start laying rabbits out past 300m and you struggle to do that with crap optics.
I had a funny one with the 4-16 x 50mm Bausch & Lomb just the other month. I've owned this scope since the late 90's and was asked to come for a shot at a SARA 600 yard shoot. Anyway I knew the velocity of the rounds I'd loaded plus the BC of the projectile so knew how much I'd have to elevate the scope at 600 yards with the help of a ballistic's program. First sighter I fired was low and only half way to where I thought it would be. Turns out that the scope manual says 1/4" clicks at 100m. After 15 years I found out it actually has 1/8" clicks This has honestly explained a lot of previous head scratching when I'd been sighting this scope in.
I honestly do think that there is a lot of scope snobbery though. Thanks to the internet a lot of people think that if you don't drop 2 grand on a scope you'll never hit a thing.
I could bring up the story of the Australian Army when they bought the Accuracy International sniper rifles with the high dollar ($3500 approx) Schmidt & Bender scopes. Turns out they wouldn't track or hold zero. If I remember correctly my mate who was a sniper at the time told me they found that Schmidt & Bender had outsourced cheaper internal scope components which didn't do the job. They all were replaced under warranty and the replacements worked as designed.
This is where I start to think that you can actually pay too much sometimes for no real improvement over some cheaper models.

 

[MCW]

all depends what your into mate, some blokes spend all there cash at the pub on beer n smokes , some save it for when there dead ..others play golf or get into the sport of shooting, you yourself get into the chainsaw racing ...its just money in the end , we cant take it with us

Don't get into Sporting Clays. That is one spendy sport! I was blowing around $200 a week (or more) in the mid 90's following the "circuit" around. Now with the increase in costs I'd probably be cracking $300 if I did it again.

 

[windthrown]

I cant see any probs using this stuff ,why do we need to block them..................ah thats right seems alot of peeps here are too softfor fark sake harden up

In the olden days on this site Darin always said it was a 'family site' so no swear words were allowed. I always found that rather contradictory, as this is an arbor site, and arborists and fallers tend to swear chronically like old pistols. The new site allowed swearing for a while, but they have been adding words to the blackout list. Bastards... Hey look at that, bastard is still allowed

 

[460cixy]

I find swearing offensive

 

[ausneil 1]

all depends what your into mate, some blokes spend all there cash at the pub on beer n smokes , some save it for when there dead ..others play golf or get into the sport of shooting, you yourself get into the chainsaw racing ...its just money in the end , we cant take it with us

So true, so true.

 

[splitpost]

I have a Simmons Whitetail 6.5-20 x 50mm on my Remington 700 .25/06 and have no complaints. It doesn't track very well and it's optics aren't quite as good as my Bausch & Lomb or Jap made Nikkos but for the price I'm not complaining. It holds zero which outside of clarity is all that counts in most situations. I don't reckon you could beat them for the price and I've seen a few cheapies.

On another note the Bushnell Elites are the current version of my Bausch & Lomb and they are top notch. That online gun mob had a brand new 4-16 x 50 Elite 4000 there for $499. Basically the same scope as mine and I paid $899 about 15 years ago.

Totally agree ,I have two Simmons scopes ,I have the Whitetail 6.5-20 x 50mm on the 223rem and have the 4.5-14 x 40 on the mod 70FW 308w both been good scopes,both done some serious shooting too,had 8 x 40 tasco on the 308 but swapped it for the simmons ,dad has a tasco mounted on his win 270w and its been a good scope too it was fitted when he bought it back in 86,some spendy scopes out there ,from what I seen on the range most them fellas don't shoot that good but have all the gadjets

 

[Aussie Dave]

Optical quality is a funny one. I know the old Tasco World Class was mentioned above but I have a 6 x 40 on my Ruger 77/22 and it does the job well. I did try a more expensive scope but the ocular end had too large of a diameter and the bolt handle kept hitting it so I stuck with the World Class. Can't remember the last time I had to sight it in. A World Class on a 300m+ rifle would be a waste of time.
It depends on what you want to do and how tricky you get. If you have a rangefinder, chronograph, hand load everything (properly), and use a ballistic's program you can really start pushing the boundaries of range.
My ex girlfriend's old man had a Tikka in .17 Remington. He used to brag how he never missed a shot and rub it in when I'd tell him I'd missed the odd one. Anyway the first time I went spotlighting with him we saw a cat in the spotlight about 150m away. I stopped the ute and he said "Get closer". He kept telling me to get closer until we were about 60m away. Bang - dead cat. This went on all night and I doubt he took a shot with the .17 past 80m. Then he had the audacity to brag that he didn't miss a shot.
It's like bragging about never crashing a car when you don't actually drive over 20kph.
I don't find any joy barrelling a rabbit at 80m with the .25/06 but I do with the .22 long rifle. I don't find any joy hitting a rabbit at 200m with the .25/06 but I do with the .222 CZ527. I do start enjoying myself with the .25/06 and .22/250 Ackley when I start laying rabbits out past 300m and you struggle to do that with crap optics.
I had a funny one with the 4-16 x 50mm Bausch & Lomb just the other month. I've owned this scope since the late 90's and was asked to come for a shot at a SARA 600 yard shoot. Anyway I knew the velocity of the rounds I'd loaded plus the BC of the projectile so knew how much I'd have to elevate the scope at 600 yards with the help of a ballistic's program. First sighter I fired was low and only half way to where I thought it would be. Turns out that the scope manual says 1/4" clicks at 100m. After 15 years I found out it actually has 1/8" clicks This has honestly explained a lot of previous head scratching when I'd been sighting this scope in.
I honestly do think that there is a lot of scope snobbery though. Thanks to the internet a lot of people think that if you don't drop 2 grand on a scope you'll never hit a thing.
I could bring up the story of the Australian Army when they bought the Accuracy International sniper rifles with the high dollar ($3500 approx) Schmidt & Bender scopes. Turns out they wouldn't track or hold zero. If I remember correctly my mate who was a sniper at the time told me they found that Schmidt & Bender had outsourced cheaper internal scope components which didn't do the job. They all were replaced under warranty and the replacements worked as designed.
This is where I start to think that you can actually pay too much sometimes for no real improvement over some cheaper models.

Defenetly nothing wrong will a world class Tasco mate.I have a 6x40 on my Ruger 22 Magnum....and i hope i didnt come across as a yuppy smartass...thats not me....but trust me,the bloke i am talking about would push anyone to the limit....he new how to farm,cut wood,drive a header... you get the picture and he would have spent a month in the bush in his life! Was the country boys dont no #&*% attitude.

 

[splitpost]

Totally agree ,I have two Simmons scopes ,I have the Whitetail 6.5-20 x 50mm on the 223rem and have the 4.5-14 x 40 on the mod 70FW 308w both been good scopes,both done some serious shooting too,had 8 x 40 tasco on the 308 but swapped it for the simmons ,dad has a tasco mounted on his win 270w and its been a good scope too it was fitted when he bought it back in 86,some spendy scopes out there ,from what I seen on the range most them fellas don't shoot that good but have all the gadjets

Got side tracked here the pics

 

[Stihlman441]

I have a Redfield (cheap Leupold) 3 to 9 x 50 on my .22 and its a very good scope for the money.

 

[ozflea]

was at the local ammo supplier and got to try a few cheaper scopes he keeps in stock just for the sake of it , There was a Simmons Pro hunter for under $200 bucks, Limited lifetime warranty (Not that means a lot? but then again ) ...it was like looking threw no glass it was that bloody clear , no plastic, good looking solid quality too , nice smooth zoom and controls ...what a shock ,makes ya wonder if the Leupold or others brands are all about the Name and not necessarily any better when there 80% dearer

Sounds like the same old story of Chinese 090 versus genuine 090.

 

[MCW]

Defenetly nothing wrong will a world class Tasco mate.I have a 6x40 on my Ruger 22 Magnum....and i hope i didnt come across as a yuppy smartass...thats not me....but trust me,the bloke i am talking about would push anyone to the limit....he new how to farm,cut wood,drive a header... you get the picture and he would have spent a month in the bush in his life! Was the country boys dont no #&*% attitude.

You deeply offended me Dave and it's going to take more than an online apology to fix the damage. In fact it will take a bit of a man hug I think and some man tears need to be shed.

 

[MCW]

I have a Redfield (cheap Leupold) 3 to 9 x 50 on my .22 and its a very good scope for the money.

Burris and Nikon are other good mid range scopes.

 

[splitpost]

Sounds like the same old story of Chinese 090 versus genuine 090.

WRONG,we are comparing brands , not brands with china Crrap

 

[ozflea]

WRONG,we are comparing brands , not brands with china Crrap

I'd laugh as you will proberly find their bloody made in China anyway ................................. ha ha ha

Ha ha bloody just got through as well

 

[MCW]

I'd laugh as you will proberly find their bloody made in China anyway ................................. ha ha ha

Ha ha bloody just got through as well

The cheap ****** scopes are. Heh heh. ******!

 

[ausneil 1]

Bloody hell you lot disappoint me,,,, I can whip out one of the no4's with iron sights and miss just as easy without spending any money......

Got every ones attention now, I done something yesterday no one would guess in a hundred guesses, I intend to give it a run today as well. Big and powerful with something long on the end ?????.

 

[MCW]

Big and powerful with something long on the end ?????.

Are you running around with your knob hanging out again Neil?

 

[ausneil 1]

WRONG,we are comparing brands , not brands with china Crrap

Here we go again,,, same thing different day and still no go but nice new paint for show....

Are you running around with your knob hanging out again Neil?

That's a bit bellow the belt, what would the neighbours think.