the all aussie dribble thread!

[AUSSIE1]

AUSSIE 1,,, i hear you on the maintance or lack of, its funny how contractors spend 1 million plus on these toys but grizzle at a carton of greese or a 44 of oil not to mention diesel.
My boss was hard as well and demanded results but, he never grizzled if the machines needed work, he was quick to jump on operator breakages but normal maintance requireing what ever was no problem.
I was on contract and hand fell the ones i couldn't get to.
I also would go back to it but i have been self employed 7 years now and never looked back.

Yeah Neil, I don't get it. We look through a different window I spose but it still doesn't add up. Contract was the way to go if you were a team of two. I used to go half/half when I was with the yarder crew. #### I hated working with that many people in one crew. Also it was boring and monotonous processing behind a yarder and forwarding from the same spot. When working with the right partner in a two man crew and everything just flowed it was not only really enjoyable but you made a healthy dollar. I'm self employed these days but I'd love to hop in a machine occasionally. I really miss that. I get a call twice a year from a fella who used to run the buncher for BVl and he and I used to run two shifts a day from 6 am to 11 pm. We both left within weeks after disputes and he has started up a couple of crews but I'd have to work away from home. If he was local it would have me thinking I'd tell ya!

I ran the tracks on this ole girl because the terrain was so steap.

 

[lumberjackau]

Aussie1, yup its a thinning machine, I can chop down over 200 stems/hr, sure beats lugging around a saw all day, and I can do it in A/C comfort :tongue2: air conditioned chainsaw, what a concept!

I hear ya guys on the maintenance thing, I have worked for both extremes, grease? what's that? oh ya, thats stuff attracts dirt, bad for bearings :msp_angry:

to the guy I work for now, I even give the ol girl a cut-n-polish once in a while because he makes sure everything is fixed if it getting some wear, she is is in top nick for having over 8,000hrs! Keeping everything clean makes it easy to find any hydrolic weaps n leaks before something explodes, damn those exploding hoses make a mess

 

[AUSSIE1]

Aussie1, yup its a thinning machine, I can chop down over 200 stems/hr, sure beats lugging around a saw all day, and I can do it in A/C comfort :tongue2: air conditioned chainsaw, what a concept!

I hear ya guys on the maintenance thing, I have worked for both extremes, grease? what's that? oh ya, thats stuff attracts dirt, bad for bearings :msp_angry:

to the guy I work for now, I even give the ol girl a cut-n-polish once in a while because he makes sure everything is fixed if it getting some wear, she is is in top nick for having over 8,000hrs! Keeping everything clean makes it easy to find any hydrolic weaps n leaks before something explodes, damn those exploding hoses make a mess

Oh yeah, don't you love those machines with there A/C. I'd hop out of the machine at lunch and woa it would be mid 30's outside. Yep, look after the machine that looks after you. Yeah blow a boom hose. What a mess and the head/grapple would plummet!

 

[lumberjackau]

I still stand back and check out the coverage a blown hose makes, the whole cab and everything 50' around it seems at times, I can understand how people are killed from the spray

 

[deye223]

Bluegum Daz

didn't know it grew in the bairnsdale area thanks al

 

[ausneil 1]

Bluegum Daz

didn't know it grew in the bairnsdale area thanks al

Does lennard fenning still own the sawmill down there

 

[deye223]

will have to have a look on the sign last time i seen it had finnings saw mill on it there has been some big changes up there so maybe not

 

[Stihlman441]

can any one id this tree thanks

Bluegum champ, nice and soft cutting there.

 

[David (saltas)]

I agree David but it's the application rate that's the issue. I mean I can't remember the last time in dry wood that I saw any bar oil left in the actual cut. Even straight glyphosate painted on a fresh cut will have the desired effect as a rule and it's cheap. If it is being applied via the standard chain oiler I'd suspect you would get misses. Metsulfuron Methyl also does an awesome job but can have root uptake so you have to be careful with surrounding trees, especially eucalypts. Being a Sulphonated Urea eucs suck it in big time.
Picloram is an excellent product but I haven't heard of Access before - sounds gutsy I gather when you are talking pH you mean straight out the drum?
If mixed with bar oil or diesel I'm prety sure some of a chemical's corrosive effects would be overcome. Maybe. I am curious though as to what bar application is being used. Not through doubt but curiosity.

I don't like glyphosate for cut stump.
Glyphosate is good for spraying on leaves
Glyphosate sits on top and does not penetrate like Access and diesel. The mix of sap/resin etc that trees can exude out arround the xylem tissue and then cover the cut can seal of the phloem layer and it can also dilute or wash away the Glyphosate.

Access or any of the others that are mixed with diesel penetrate the end of the cut quickly and also stops the aerobic reaction that the saps have and stops them from setting a sealing layer

Access* Herbicide

Yes the power of Hydrogen I quoted was straight out of the drum :msp_wink:

Old lumberJackau has answered you last question

MCW, the bar application is throught the guts of the bar, it is hollow with a few holes in the side of the bar, oiler is oiling the bar and chain, so there is two seperate pumps, one for the herb and the other for the bar oil.

we normally use products like Garlon, Grass-up or Fightback with which all have Triclopyr, no problems with it and does a bloody good job for what we use it for, just mix it with water and dye(so we can see the spray on the stump from the cab) No issues with corrosion on the head

THEN THERE IS Glyphosate Good ol Roundup

They can stick that #### up their ------------

The Teak job we did we used roundup for stump application, basically it destroyed the whole bottom section of the head, any grease in the sprays path was washed away, you couldn't keep grease up to it, and of course it just cleaned all the paint away and it looked like it was beadblasted. One portion of the herb line along the crane is stainless steel, it even ate a few holes in it! I do believe we are not going to use the stuff on any future jobs :msp_biggrin:

Another good reason to only put Glypho in a sprayer :msp_biggrin:

 

[David (saltas)]

Tip a bit of water say a shot glass on the end grain of some wood tip it off after a minute and then cut it in half and see how far the water penetrated.

Now do the same with the same amount of diesel.

Now for the Colgate moment

[video=youtube;xthIy50XmU0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xthIy50XmU0[/video]

Different timber different amounts but diesel always gets in further and quicker

 

[lumberjackau]

Glysophate does soak into the end grain when it is applied as soon as it is cut, Teak soaks it up like a sponge, but I am talking about under a couple of seconds from cut to spray, any longer you might as well just piss on it. Most chemical application in woody species you only have seconds to apply before the wood grain shuts up shop and you have to wait for some new growth to spray to get a kill. This is from experience and watching what is going on from the cab and going through our old work areas to check up on our work. Others might have something else to say about it.

My main gripe about glysophate is the corrosion of the work gear, something we didn't need with being so far from civilization, not much for engineering shops in Cooktown. And there is the added factor of "Cooktown time" there which really throws a spanner in the works, 8 to 5 is only a suggestion for business hours, fish are biting? down tools and grab a boat.

 

[Terry Syd]

I still have fond memories of Cooktown back in 1974. There was no Daintree road, you went inland or on a boat. I got there and stayed at the only pub in town, which had its local 'jam' session every Thursday night. I ended up getting pissed and playing rythm with a metal tobbaco sign - go winga wak, go winga wak.

 

[lumberjackau]

If I could I would move there in a heartbeat, that place has a great vibe, actually felt at home up there. I left a $2 coin on the bar when I left in a hurry one afternoon, came back a few hours later and the barmaid handed it back to me. Some real good people there, and the pubs do there best to keep the drunks in line, if you are falling down drunk they will not let you in, no exceptions

 

[Terry Syd]

I know what you mean about that place, I went back a few times and it always felt like a calm place, someplace you could relax.

January 6 - and I have a fire on tonight.

 

[David (saltas)]

Glysophate does soak into the end grain when it is applied as soon as it is cut, Teak soaks it up like a sponge, but I am talking about under a couple of seconds from cut to spray, any longer you might as well just piss on it. Most chemical application in woody species you only have seconds to apply before the wood grain shuts up shop and you have to wait for some new growth to spray to get a kill. This is from experience and watching what is going on from the cab and going through our old work areas to check up on our work. Others might have something else to say about it.

I agree with what you have said

Any cut stump application needs to be done with in ten seconds

My experience is much much less rework if I use an appropriate herbicide that uses diesel as the solvent.
This is for three years contracts, You get paid the bulk of the money if there are no Ziziphus mauritiana (Chinee apple) or what ever it is they want gone at the end of the contract

 

[lumberjackau]

January 6 - and I have a fire on tonight.

It has been a bizarre year so far, been very cool so far this summer, the Crayfish haven't been moving much yet this year, only got 7 the other nite with 4 traps out, this time last year I was pulling up 20 per trap per nite, and getting at least 10 during the day. water temp has not gotten up enuff to get em active. At least the fish are biting :biggrin:

 

[MCW]

MCW, the bar application is throught the guts of the bar, it is hollow with a few holes in the side of the bar, oiler is oiling the bar and chain, so there is two seperate pumps, one for the herb and the other for the bar oil.

we normally use products like Garlon, Grass-up or Fightback with which all have Triclopyr, no problems with it and does a bloody good job for what we use it for, just mix it with water and dye(so we can see the spray on the stump from the cab) No issues with corrosion on the head

THEN THERE IS Glyphosate Good ol Roundup

They can stick that #### up their ------------

The Teak job we did we used roundup for stump application, basically it destroyed the whole bottom section of the head, any grease in the sprays path was washed away, you couldn't keep grease up to it, and of course it just cleaned all the paint away and it looked like it was beadblasted. One portion of the herb line along the crane is stainless steel, it even ate a few holes in it! I do believe we are not going to use the stuff on any future jobs :msp_biggrin:

Yeah corrosion was my main concern too mate. Glypho certainly works on cut stump applications but you just need more of it. Thanks for the explanation as to how the chemical is applied

I don't like glyphosate for cut stump.
Glyphosate is good for spraying on leaves
Glyphosate sits on top and does not penetrate like Access and diesel. The mix of sap/resin etc that trees can exude out arround the xylem tissue and then cover the cut can seal of the phloem layer and it can also dilute or wash away the Glyphosate.

Access or any of the others that are mixed with diesel penetrate the end of the cut quickly and also stops the aerobic reaction that the saps have and stops them from setting a sealing layer

Access* Herbicide

Yes the power of Hydrogen I quoted was straight out of the drum :msp_wink:

Old lumberJackau has answered you last question




Another good reason to only put Glypho in a sprayer :msp_biggrin:

I'm certainly aware the other chemicals have better efficacy than Glypho but Glypho is dose dependant on cut stump applications. This is where the other chemicals have an edge. It certainly works but I'm sure there are some species that exude a heap of sap that it may struggle with. With that Casuarina job I added Metsulfuron to the Glypho but the worker who sprayed a heap of stumps just used a strong Glypho dose. They both worked pretty well. Dow make good stuff and their SA rep is one of the best we have - one smart cookie.

 

[MCW]

It has been a bizarre year so far, been very cool so far this summer, the Crayfish haven't been moving much yet this year, only got 7 the other nite with 4 traps out, this time last year I was pulling up 20 per trap per nite, and getting at least 10 during the day. water temp has not gotten up enuff to get em active. At least the fish are biting :biggrin:

Overfishing Soon you'll have the Sea Shepherd and it's nutjob crew there...

 

[MCW]

Oh and Terry your inbox was/is full. I'm posting a few of those Chinacarbs to you to play with. Hopefully you can fashion them into a quad carbed super china Husky monster hybrid thingy...

 

[lumberjackau]

Overfishing Soon you'll have the Sea Shepherd and it's nutjob crew there...

They would have to catch me first :hmm3grin2orange:
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