The Fly and wire core fliplines

[Froggy]

The Fly->

I use Pro Spec, Safety Blue, and XTC as climbing lines. I was thinking of getting a 150' hank of The Fly. What advantages does this have over Safety Blue and others. I know it's a 11mm rope and only weighs 6lbs per 100ft. And has excellent knot control, but why would you chose the Fly over others. What other advantages would you have with it in the tree. I've heard a lot of positive feed back on The Fly. I want some hard core facts on this from people who use it day in and day out.

Steel Core Flip Line->

I use a wire core flip line in a tree most of the time. Well I got a new one at work. Well kind of new. It has only been ued twice. I used it for a few weeks and the rubber tubing where the swivel clip is split and now the rope has mushroomed down the wire core. You can pull it back up and tape it with electrical tape, but that's only a teporary fix. How can you fix this permantly? Or is it shot. I have a 10' piece of safety blue as a lanyard now. On removals I really miss my wire core.

Thanks,BB

 

[Kneejerk Bombas]

I don't understand what the type of crotch has to do with anything. I have many hours of natural and false crotch climbing on the Fly and it has held up well. I perfer it for both applications.
I would not let Brian's paranoia discourage you from buying a hank.
Almost any time you have a smaller and lighter tool when climbing it seems better. If you don't understand what I mean, go wind up a 150' hank of throwline, and then go do the same with a 150' 3/4" bull rope.
The tail of your rope is always following (being pulled by you) you through the tree and sometimes you need to pull it through to re-route it. Smaller and lighter is easier.
Just carrying the rope to the tree is easier, and packing it up and carrying it back too.

I don't know what to say about your used, falling apart lanyard.

 

[kf_tree]

as far as the flip line....i usually get a good year out of them before i destroy the plastic tube. mostly from butt tieing off my belt. tapeing doesn't last too long.... depending on which one you have.....there should be a "ferrel" about a 1/2 inch before the snap. milk the rope down past the ferrel and wrap the rope with a stiff piece of wire and twist it off to lock the rope in place behind the ferrel. then whip the end.

 

[Tom Dunlap]

Have you seen the thread "Favorite Rope"? I think by this informal survey, Fly wins. You can't go wrong. If for some reason, you don't like the Fly, let me know, I'd probably buy it from you.

IF the rope is fraying, take some small cord or shoelace and tie several constrictor knots near the end. If you don't know the constrictor, google will direct you.

Tom

 

[John Paul Sanborn]

The biggest advantage with Fly is the weight when pulling it through a tree, trailing it behind you, next is the smaller profile gives less friction against branches so it is easeir to pull long lengths around.

Lastly is the lower streach, when woking on long lengths, you have much less bungie effect, this could be a problem for those of us who rely on that strach for getting down from tall trees without recrotching

 

[TREETX]

I love my FLY. Way light. I use it like brian does. When I am using my RG. Can't say it is because of any fear of wear, etc. I tend to baby all of my new ropes.

It is good to have many different types of ropes - more tools in the tool chest. Fly is a great tool.

 

[mrtree]

I am a little lost, is the FLY only for SRT or can I use it as my working line and run a VT as my running knot?

 

[John Paul Sanborn]

It is it was designed as a working rope, specificly for tree use.

 

[ramanujan]

how is the fly for diameter and firmness, as in is it just as easy to grip with your hand or feet (footlocking) as most other 1/2" climbing lines?

i know it's got a somewhat smoother surface than 16 strand lines. i've noticed that although most arborist climbing lines are sold as 1/2" they seem to vary noticeably.

i usually use my yale XTC which is a good bit smaller than blue streak, firmer also. about the same size as safety blue but firmer than it as well i think.

 

[Tom Dunlap]

Footlocking Fly is no different, for me, than any other climbing line. The diameter has little to do with footlocking. Getting a proper placement and lock is what counts.

At times, you'll find that Fly will be easier to footlock. Every time you hook the rope and lift it to lock, you are lifting all of the hanging rope. The higher you get in the tree, the more rope you have to lift. You'll notice the weight sooner or later.

Since the price of Fly is really good, I can't imagine why anyone wouldn't give it a shot the next time a new rope is needed. Worst case is that you hate the rope and end up with another line or you sell it to someone else. I haven't heard of too many people who are dissatisfied with Fly.

Tom

 

[kf_tree]

hey i got a question..... will "the fly" hold a tautline hitch? or will it slip too much?

yea yea i still use a rock on a stick instead of a hammer.

 

[John Paul Sanborn]

Do you still tie the whole rope to your saddle too?

 

[Kneejerk Bombas]

Originally posted by kf_tree
hey i got a question..... will "the fly" hold a tautline hitch? or will it slip too much?

yea yea i still use a rock on a stick instead of a hammer.

No, it wil not. In fact, if it's internal sensors detect either a tautline or blake's hitch, the rope will begin to dissolve. Once this starts you only have a few seconds to get to safety before it is completely gone.
The rope will not be gone forever, it will magically reappear in the tool box of a better climber sometime the next day.
And DO NOT try to tie a timber hitch with this rope!

 

[kf_tree]

"it will magically reappear in the tool box of a better climber sometime the next day."

i guess i deserve that.......i'm hanging out with the wrong crowd. where is the hack and slash climbing board?????? it should be fun when i meet some of you guys in the fall in maryland. i just hope we could keep the shouting down

 

[Froggy]

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Why would you tie a timber hitch in your climbing line?? Aslo why would it even be a factor for the blakes. I would think if anything it would be better. Maybe if anything the knot might be a little tighter. Just a thought.

 

[kf_tree]

froggy
the big boys are just busting my chops for climbing like a cave man.

 

[Kneejerk Bombas]

Yeah, and Froggy, there really isn't an internal sensor.

 

[Froggy]

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OK, I guess I had that comming. Trying to be funny and all it did was open a can of worms. Mike I know.

 

[kf_tree]

"Do you still tie the whole rope to your saddle too?"

the only snap i know of is the snap crackle pop of my rice crispies.

 

[Tom Dunlap]

Mike,

Thanks for giving me an out-loud laugh! It started as a rumble with your sensor post and by the time I got to the end of the thread here, I was hooting so loud the cats ran out of the room

Tom, grinning...