the ultimate Stih flippy cap poll ...

[Andyshine77]

Can't they just make a bigger knob on em so they're easier to open with gloves on?

That would be a wingnut.lol

 

[brncreeper]

If they would put screw caps on the 260, and 460 that would be perfect!
Long live the MS660! and it's non flippy caps.

 

[spacemule]

That would be a wingnut.lol

Just like the people who use Stihl. . .

 

[johnnylabguy]

That would be a wingnut.lol

You are correct Sir! Sorry to say it but my craftsman loaner special has my favorite cap set up of em all (That's pretty much it though!).

 

[Jtheo]

Fortunately the guy that invented the wingnut didn't think like you do. What was wrong with the normal hex nuts, don't you have a wrench or toolbox around when you want to check your air filter on your truck or car, or could we just use a wingnut instead?

Not to call it a problem, but to answer your question is simple ...... you don't need to use the scrench.

If the engineer that "invented" this cap is going to get blamed for "over engineering" a cap. Then those that can't simply figure out how to use it should be branded in some fashion as well ........ I'm not sure which is worse.

Again its just a cap,

Sam

I guess the people who don't know how to use them will just have to run Dolmar and Husqvarna.:hmm3grin2orange:

 

[Andyshine77]

I guess the people who don't know how to use them will just have to run Dolmar and Husqvarna.:hmm3grin2orange:

Couldn't agree with you more.lolol

 

[belgian]

Hmmmm are your referring to condoms or fuel caps Shorty,:hmm3grin2orange:

Hmmmm, if condoms showed a simular failure rate as them flippy caps....durex would have been outta business a long time ago...and the world would have probably seen a few more little Thalls around...don't know if that would have been a good thing or not ....:hmm3grin2orange::hmm3grin2orange:


PS. I noticed a lot of biased Stihlheads in the pro votes...LOLOL

 

[WoodChuck'r]

Andyshine's got a point in this thread. I voted yes, but then I started thinking about why. I mean, Stihl tried to reinvent the wheel, but why? And what for??

I'm wondering if Stihl actually gained anything from this. In the end, the caps still "screw" on, so not a whole lot has changed. I'm not trying to argue that they aren't any good, I already said I like them and voted yes. But far beyond my opinion and reasoning lies Stihl's reasons for changing the caps.

Over all I still like them, but they haven't made anything any easier, or any harder. So why make the change?? The only thing I can think of is psychologically people (consumers) see something a bit different from the norm and (along with it being marketed as high-tech) they are sold.

But even with all that being said, there's no way that Stihl's sales have gone up because of different style fuel and oil caps on their saws. There's no way. And if I'm wrong that's just plain sad. Who the hell would buy one saw over another because of the style of it's fuel and oil caps???

I dig the caps and always will. But in all reality Stihl changed something that just plain didn't need to be changed...

 

[Justsaws]

Andyshine's got a point in this thread. I voted yes, but then I started thinking about why. I mean, Stihl tried to reinvent the wheel, but why? And what for??

I'm wondering if Stihl actually gained anything from this. In the end, the caps still "screw" on, so not a whole lot has changed. I'm not trying to argue that they aren't any good, I already said I like them and voted yes. But far beyond my opinion and reasoning lies Stihl's reasons for changing the caps.

Over all I still like them, but they haven't made anything any easier, or any harder. So why make the change?? The only thing I can think of is psychologically people (consumers) see something a bit different from the norm and (along with it being marketed as high-tech) they are sold.

But even with all that being said, there's no way that Stihl's sales have gone up because of different style fuel and oil caps on their saws. There's no way. And if I'm wrong that's just plain sad. Who the hell would buy one saw over another because of the style of it's fuel and oil caps???

I dig the caps and always will. But in all reality Stihl changed something that just plain didn't need to be changed...

The point is a chainsaw that the consumer does not need to use any additional tools to do something as basic as re-fuel. Whose is going to buy those saws over another brand? The largest market that Stihl can target and gain the most profit from acquiring. They learned a lesson from E-Lux in relation to E-Lux marketing Poulan, WeedEater, etc.. Homeowner non-professionals spend a lot of money on cheaply made tools. Stihl has got some tools for them.

Any professionals that choose to make fun of that idea need to keep in mind that the only reason you can afford a Husqvarna is the thousands of Poulans, Weed Eaters, crappy Huskys, etc.,that Lowes, TSC, etc. sell every month. Take those out of the Husqvarna US market and your 372 just got muuuuuuch more expensive.

 

[Justsaws]

Hmmmm, if condoms showed a simular failure rate as them flippy caps....durex would have been outta business a long time ago...and the world would have probably seen a few more little Thalls around...don't know if that would have been a good thing or not ....:hmm3grin2orange::hmm3grin2orange:


PS. I noticed a lot of biased Stihlheads in the pro votes...LOLOL

What exactly are you doing with your chainsaws?

 

[belgian]

But even with all that being said, there's no way that Stihl's sales have gone up because of different style fuel and oil caps on their saws. There's no way. And if I'm wrong that's just plain sad. Who the hell would buy one saw over another because of the style of it's fuel and oil caps???

..

Good point.
As a manufacterer, you have to develop your products in order to stay ahead of competition, and to create "new" products with "new" features, just to stay attractive and to be different than your competitors.

I think Stihl tried to develop a new "toolless" cap, which de facto is an advantage over a cap that needs a tool. But the benefit came with some disadvantages imo, that have been clearly stated by many posters here. In fact, a feature that has nearly 50% of outspoken naysayers, can hardly be called an improvement. Note that there are many users also who admit that they do not really care (untill they experience a fuel discharge on their pants and will eventually switch sides).

My conclusion :

a nice selling argument : yes
Practical argument : no

The professional Stihl user will not abandon his trusty Stihl because of the new cap (at least not myself), but the cap is just not on par with the image of Stihl, a dead reliable product. Not every new development is an improvement, I know it's hard to admit sometimes, especially if you are market leader.

 

[derwoodii]

I say "Flippy crappy caps". Hard to seat and frustrating when they slip self open or moving parts fail. Give me the old molded raised middle twist knob. No moving parts just solid threading, twist out, oil fuel in, twist back on job done.

Stop building saws for techno soft cocks who cant and should not hold handle or start em please.

 

[ropensaddle]

Good point.
As a manufacterer, you have to develop your products in order to stay ahead of competition, and to create "new" products with "new" features, just to stay attractive and to be different than your competitors.

I think Stihl tried to develop a new "toolless" cap, which de facto is an advantage over a cap that needs a tool. But the benefit came with some disadvantages imo, that have been clearly stated by many posters here. In fact, a feature that has nearly 50% of outspoken naysayers, can hardly be called an improvement. Note that there are many users also who admit that they do not really care (until they experience a fuel discharge on their pants and will eventually switch sides).

My conclusion :

a nice selling argument : yes
Practical argument : no

The professional Stihl user will not abandon his trusty Stihl because of the new cap (at least not myself), but the cap is just not on par with the image of Stihl, a dead reliable product. Not every new development is an improvement, I know it's hard to admit sometimes, especially if you are market leader.

Well this guy quit stihls over flippy caps and choke switch bs switch change over. I am not a gadget nut I want a saw not a rubix cube lmfao. I know how to put them on too, I find it extremely hard to fathom them ever making it through quality control and since they did, it has given me the conclusion other things may be wrong. I know the stihlwashed society will likely prove them worthy because; there are many younger users that don't know the differance. I have other issues with them but it was these that made me a husky man with no regret either. It is my humble opinion and commonsense that they should have made the caps at least interchangeable, that way if they had a guy like me that thinks the screw has worked for thousand years why change it;I would be rewarded for my genius. It is also my belief and opinion that half share my opinion and in conclusion, they are missing the point. Why attempt to improve on a thousand year proved item when you have better things to engineer, like better air filtration and ergonomics. Good for husky they did.

 

[ropensaddle]

Ok now another view of stihl, more positive maybe hope; they did engineer better screws for attaching their parts. It is a superior item to many other saws so you get a atta boy there.
I know how to improvise on keeping my screws tight but I wanted to be honest here, stihl did nail this issue.

 

[Butch(OH)]

Oh yay,,, flipply caps

They have been the only source of an unfixable and thus unusable saw for us while in the woods for the last 5-6 years. (broken caps).
They also funnel more crap into the tanks. (Ya I am a hog and dont take a steam cleaner and brush with me to the woods and I dont take 10 minutes to clean the caps before I refill)
Oily chaps dont make my day. Me, both my boys and everyone else I personaly know of have failed to properly seat the oil cap. ( I am a retard, raised two retards, and run with other retards but I can SCREW on an oil cap)


Let us have a problem before we design a fix is all I can say

 

[fishercat]

accoerding to my dealer.............

Well, it's one aggravation that I can do without. Screw caps have never dumped gas and bar oil on my boots.

Stihl makes an excellent saw, but were the screw caps failing? Were people demanding something else?

Say what you want about my intellect, but Stihl has managed to run me off with the flip caps.:deadhorse:

the flippy caps resulted from a lawsuit against Stihl and the caps are not going anywhere anytime soon.it is only hearsay at this time since i cannot find any info on this but it seems his info from his rep is usually pretty darn accurate.

 

[slowp]

I think the flippy caps were invented by someone who wanted a simple, foolproof way of IQ checking the workers in the field without a bunch of questions and answers and pens and paper.

I mean, if you can't successfully operation the Stihl Flippy Cap you have to admit it doesn't show to good on the family tree.

My opinion,

Sam

Hmmph, I'll start taking the short bus to the woods. I'll still hate the flippy caps. Maybe run over the saw with the short bus.

 

[Butch(OH)]

New poll suggestion

_____I have have oiled my leg because of a flippy cap

______I have never oiled my leg because of a flippy cap (must fill out section 2 below)
_____I dont own a Stihl with flippy caps
_____I own a Stihl with flippy caps but have never run it
_____I own a Stihl with flippy caps,,,, What is bar oil and where does it go???
_____Because I oiled my back instead (OK slowp? LOL)
_____I am known to lie a bit

:greenchainsaw::greenchainsaw:

 

[slowp]

I have oiled my back due to a flippy cap. You are missing that one--packing a saw on the shoulder.

 

[boilerhouse47]

I don't use my saws every day like a lot of folks on this site do, so I can't say how well they hold up. Haven't broken one yet in eight years.
I'm getting older and my hands are getting stiffer with age. I find it a lot easier to use the flippy caps than to try and use the old style threaded caps. I have an old Mac that doesn't have a slot in it for a scrench and can be a royal pain to get loose.
I suppose that those of you that haven't put the flippy caps on right have never cross-threaded the screw in style. I would think the time wasted seeing if the cap is aligned straight would be the same for both.

Just a casual observers opinion.
Carl