Tree Damage From Crop Spraying
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I didn't notice anything else...but I just saw that at the end of the day and didn't get a chance to check the maples (or Siberian elm...which I wouldn't care about dying - except I don't have time to clean them up) along the east edge. I'm bordered on the south and east by the same field. I have a part of an old golf course. You are looking south in the picture. That pic of the whole tree was 2 years ago. Off off to the right/background in that picture is another part of the course...some of those are just dying trees. I don't think there was any damage at that time. That part of the property would have been a woods when the golf course was built in the '70s. My tree was probably in an old fence row at some point...maybe left as a place to rest the horses back in the day? Clearly hasn't been a "woods" tree for a very long time - if ever.
Wow, looks like your place is surrounded by crops, like mine is.
I hope you don't find any more damage.
Like you said, who has time, or money to dispose of a yard full of dead trees??
I counted 150 in my yard, damaged, not dead yet.
What's it cost to have them cut down, hauled off, roots removed, and replacements planted?
More than I can afford, that's for sure.
The land in this area is 90% agricultural... I see a fair bit of damage. Hoping this is minor like most.Wow, looks like your place is surrounded by crops, like mine is.
I hope you don't find any more damage.
Like you said, who has time, or money to dispose of a yard full of dead trees??
I counted 150 in my yard, damaged, not dead yet.
What's it cost to have them cut down, hauled off, roots removed, and replacements planted?
More than I can afford, that's for sure.
In regards to removal: Hopefully, that is what the farmer's insurance is for. Sucks you have to do it - but it at least shouldn't be a financial burden to you.
The problem is the price of preferred chemicals and the use of alternate cheaper chemicals... thanks Joe and the rest of the Green Goons running our government. This is the result of out of control environmental activist, the result, they poison the very environment they claim they are protecting.
Ignorant people making decisions without the knowledge of knowing the results. There is a reason the preferred chemicals were used, less environmental damage.
The problem is, we need farming more than ever now with the in world turmoil. Starvation is ever present possibility and if our clueless government gets in the way starvation of some will be the result. Sorry for the damage to everyone property but farming has to be protected.
Also sorry this seems Political but the truth has to be exposed.
Ignorant people making decisions without the knowledge of knowing the results. There is a reason the preferred chemicals were used, less environmental damage.
The problem is, we need farming more than ever now with the in world turmoil. Starvation is ever present possibility and if our clueless government gets in the way starvation of some will be the result. Sorry for the damage to everyone property but farming has to be protected.
Also sorry this seems Political but the truth has to be exposed.
So you are saying her trees are dead and the farmer should pay for their removal? I assume then you have personally inspected them and are qualified to make that determination. Seems like the damage occurred a very short time ago and that is a HUGE leap but heck who knows I guess you do
Well put
I don't see what "green goonies" and Joe have to do with what chemical a farmer needs for his crop.
How are "out of control environmental activist" poisoning the environment when it's the farmers using the poison?
"Ignorant people making decisions without the knowledge of knowing the results" - Who? the farmers?
I'm sorry, but I'm not getting the drift (pun intended) of what you're saying here... are you blaming green goonies and Joe Biden for the increased price of the "preferred chemicals," which you say cause less environmental damage? And because of the higher price the farmers are buying the cheaper chemicals that cause more damage?
If that's the case, that's an invalid argument. Others here have already pointed out that chemical trespass and general environmental damage are NOT the chemicals fault, since the product functions as designed, and that any adverse reactions from the chemical application is the fault of the applicator and the applicator ONLY. In other words, if there's a problem it's because the applicator didn't follow the directions on the package label.
High-dollar, or inexpensive chemical, shouldn't matter since they have ALL been approved by the government for use by the public.
(I'm not saying I agree with this claim, but it is what the majority do claim)
Think about this for just a minute.
Yes, we need farming now more than ever, but do we need more chemicals, corn, and soybeans? No, we don't.
I just did a quick search on "field corn" because I know I never see it, or soybeans in the grocery store.
- Only one percent of corn planted in the United States is sweet corn.
- 99 percent of corn grown in Iowa is “Field Corn”. When Iowa’s corn farmers deliver corn from the field, it’s “Field Corn”. Not the delicious sweet corn you might enjoy on the cob or in a can.
- Field corn is the classic big ears of yellow dented corn you see dried and harvested in the fall. It’s called “dent corn” because of the distinctive dent that forms on the kernel as the corn dries.
- While a small portion of “Field Corn” is processed for use as corn cereal, corn starch, corn oil and corn syrup for human consumption, it is primarily used for livestock feed, ethanol production and manufactured goods. It’s considered a grain.
- Sweet corn is what people purchase fresh, frozen or canned for eating. It’s consumed as a vegetable. Unlike “Field Corn”, which is harvested when the kernels are dry and fully mature, sweet corn is picked when immature.
- https://www.iowacorn.org/media-page/corn-facts#:~:text=While a small portion of,It's considered a grain.
Do a search for "nutritional value of soybeans" and everyone is boasting of the great protein source they are.
Problem is, 98% of them are fed to pigs and cows.
https://www.canr.msu.edu/news/where...t of soybean,an alternative to petroleum oil.
No starving people getting any relief from soybeans either.
All that land and all those resources being wasted on animal feed.
If everyone stopped eating pigs and cows, no doubt there'd be enough land to grow food fit for human consumption for everyone on the planet.
And that's my Green-goonie spiel of the day.
And... think about this too... all that dead meat sold to the public is just a waste by-product of the leather industry.
Since you are ignoring my posts I know you will not answer but I am am puzzled at what it is you actually approve of. What is it that you live in. You are anti meat, anti grain, anti freaking water. How do you live and what did the cook burn at breakfast a week ago SaturdayAnd... think about this too... all that dead meat sold to the public is just a waste by-product of the leather industry.
Now you have the poor girl ignoring your posts because you are harassing her! Give it a rest you pest! Stop annoying people . She has had a lot of trees damaged on her property and instead of helping you harass! What an azz.
I talked to an inspector today...the guy who has been inspecting me (periodic inspection of records) for 15 years. He said it is very difficult to prove volatilization. We talked in vague terms about another property he inspected - I observed symptoms and suggested they call ODA. (He can't make specific statements about any case...I just asked "is it appropriate to propose that those symptoms might be consistent with herbicide damage?"). He said at that case he didn't see a pattern to indicate drift. He also said that he has been to court several times testifying about drift, but never about volatilization. You simply cannot prove where it came from in most circumstances. I told him I wanted to report it just so there is a record of damage. If these damages aren't documented, it is going to be hard to build a case that there is a need for better formulation or application technique. Of course if nobody is ever held liable, it is going to be harder to get enough people to care. Most farmers want to be good neighbors, and I honestly believe they would not be pleased with damage...but nor will most change too much.
They did hit the Siberian elm pretty good along the property line...but some of those branches are over the property line. There was just a little curling on a maple.
I'm going to figure out who farms the land. I'll try to reach out to them and let them know what I see. I just don't want it to be worse next time.
My thoughts, exactly.
Thanks you for sharing your (unfortunate) experience. I know I'm not the only one this has happened to, but coming from you means a lot - you carry a lot of weight around here, as far as I can tell.
You know what they say, misery really does love company... and you're pretty good company.
I drove to PetsMart this afternoon, about 40 miles from here, and I scrutinized the landscape. The pattern was pretty obvious - a lone skeleton of a once-majestic tree in a crop field, gnarled, deformed and defoliated limbs on fencerow trees adjacent to crop fields, and damaged trees in residential yards near farmland....
The glaring exception was in town far away from any crop fields - old neighborhoods on the main road with giant specimen-quality maples, oaks, and other trees.
Some years ago a client of mine that was a local farmer damaged his 40 apple tree orchard spraying roundup with a back pack sprayer. He knew to use low pressure and a nozzle that would emit droplets Vs a mist yet he still severely damaged his apple orchard. Two extension agents and I paid him a visit and they came up with the idea that it was caused by Roundup volatilization. Evidently temperate, humidity and a very still atmosphere can combine to form perfect conditions for Roundup volatilization even if all label instructions are followed. It was an expensive lesson for sure for the farmer as he lost most of his apple orchard. I'm glad it was him that did the spraying Vs. myself as I could have easily waded into that perfect storm.
Gotta disagree, regardless of what your extension agents said. They apparently didn't do their homework.
Glyphosate doesn't really volatilize: 5.7 × 10−8 Pa at 25°C
(this is 0.000000000008267 pounds per square inch. By contrast, 2,4-D is 1.9 x 10-5 Pa, or 333 times as volatile)
"The vapor pressure is very low rendering it nonvolatile. Off-target drift may cause injury to non-target plants. Although glyphosate is very water soluble, it binds rapidly and tightly to soil colloids so that leaching does not occur. Further, glyphosate has a low tendency to runoff unless it is sorbed to eroding soil colloids."
If I was only left with volatility and poor application technique of some sort, I think I'd go for "wrong herbicide". Once you spray it, it's pretty hard to say exactly which herbicide was doing the damage. The decline of plants following a good dose of Roundup isn't so distinctive that you can really look at it and tell what is killing the plant. It's pretty damned hard to kill a tree with roundup anyway, so I don't believe any amount of drift from a backpack killed off an orchard.
Incidentally, no amount of temperature, humidity, and atmospheric conditions can change the vapor pressure of a chemical. This is a physical property of any molecule which is measured, somewhat like melting point, boiling point, or density. You could probably cause glyphosate to volatilize in a vacuum, but we all know that didn't happen.
I think the problem is they have mixed up the means of drift and volatilize.
Glyphosate can migrate some in the soil and affect some plants.
ValleyForge
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The farms were there before the homes in this case too….I can’t understand how people don’t understand they are moving next to a farm….
That's good to know. It's been 30 years ago so maybe there was more to the mix than I remember. Farmers have access to a lot of chemicals and it is possible that he spiked it with something. I know a framer who used Chlordane to kill Coronado potato beetles on his potatoes in his home vegetable garden for years after it was banned because he had a lot left over from farming. He just passed away a year or so ago at age 93. He would spray a strip along his garage door bottom and it would kill everything that crossed that line for years.
I know of a guy that still has a barrel of DDT. I'll bet it still works, too.
Or so the rumor goes...
Funny thing is, I believe that it is still legal to apply as instructed on the label. Most products are banned for sale or resale, but remain legal to be applied according to the original label.
Or so the rumor goes...
Funny thing is, I believe that it is still legal to apply as instructed on the label. Most products are banned for sale or resale, but remain legal to be applied according to the original label.
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