Which Klotz?

[BloodOnTheIce]

I run original techniplate in all of my race.saws and work saws.

A guy who knows more than me said run it so I listened.

 

[Anthony_Va.]

Besides the smell of R50 getting to me, the deposits on the piston crown were pretty bad. K2 seems to run quite clean and it has little smell.

Randy had my xpw recently for some tinkering. he sent me pics of the inside of my engine and it was completely gunked up with carbon. i had looked awhile back after running about a quart of original techniplate and i only had a light film of carbon. The pics randy sent were after about half quart of super techniplate at45:1. I would not recommend it to anyone who wants to keep a clean engine. I'll see if I can dig up those pics. He got it cleaned up good and its in the mail Im going to start fresh with the Belray H1R.

 

[Andyshine77]

A redneck with a cup of cold water in the carb breaks up carbon too......

So these detergents are the miracle workers then? So they soak into the existing carbon, and break it up?

Yes it dissolves the carbon. Mobil 1 2T was the best I've seen at doing this, wish it was still available.

 

[Rounder]

I love the smell of Klotz R-50 but the Super-Techniplate will give me a headache if I'm confined with it.
I learned this on a hot still day bucking a HUGE silver maple and kneeling/bending over with that exhaust coming up right in my face and no wind to move it along didn't last long.
I came out of there quick!!!
Anyone ever work in a dynamite magazine????


Mike

I had to ditch the Klotz, the fumes are way to much when you get into a little bigger wood. Also gunked things up pretty good, which I've never had happen in any of my saws....

 

[Anthony_Va.]

Here's a pic of the combustion chamber. Mind you, this is after only a half quart of Klotz Super techniplate. I had looked in it prior to running that half quart just to see what it looked like after running a quart of original techniplate and it was only blackened, not built up and crusty.
Theres no wear in the cylinder or on the piston at all so it does the job as far as protection, just burns way to dirty for my taste.

 

[Andyshine77]

I still like R50. IMHO it offered the best scuff resistance of any oil I've used. K2 burns a bit cleaner, but I see more polishing on the piston than I did with R50.

 

[morgaj1]

Yes it dissolves the carbon. Mobil 1 2T was the best I've seen at doing this, wish it was still available.

Andre is correct about the detergents. My local Stihl dealer swears that the HP Ultra dissolves carbon better than any oil. BTW, what happened to the Mobil 1 2T? I see it referenced a lot, but never got to use it.

 

[mdavlee]

That super techniplate is real dirty. My xpw was run on some of the r50 or super and the piston was caked thick with it. I'm using belray still for now. I like the no smell and clean burning. It does seem to affect carb adjustments more than any other oil I've run. Every saw I've used it in needed richened up.

 

[Andyshine77]

Here's a pic of the combustion chamber. Mind you, this is after only a half quart of Klotz Super techniplate. I had looked in it prior to running that half quart just to see what it looked like after running a quart of original techniplate and it was only blackened, not built up and crusty.
Theres no wear in the cylinder or on the piston at all so it does the job as far as protection, just burns way to dirty for my taste.

That's what castor oil can do, it looks nasty. R50 would never to that, in fact the combustion chambers were always clean with only mild buildup on the piston crown.

This saw was ran on R50, and it was tuned rich most of the time.

 

[Fish]

So it disolves carbon, so I could pour some of the mix on a carboned piston and notice anything?

Or does it need the event to be in the cumbustion chamber of a running engine?

 

[Anthony_Va.]

This pic is after a quart of the Original techniplate. Same cylinder. This was right before I started on the Supertechniplate.

No buildup at all, just blackened. Piston in perfect shape. It's amazing that after just half a quart that exhaust port was just caked with carbon

 

[komatsuvarna]

Ewww!! :msp_thumbdn:

Not saying the H1R is the ''be all end all'' oil, but what I've seen in the last little bit in my own saws I really like it. I've put several gallons through a 395 (which isn't hard to do ) in the last week and a half. Cleaned up the saw this morning and pulled the plug to have a look see.....Piston crown and exhaust port is still semi-shinny! Kinda surprised me a little!

 

[Fish]

This pic is after a quart of the Original techniplate. Same cylinder. This was right before I started on the Supertechniplate.

No buildup at all, just blackened. Piston in perfect shape. It's amazing that after just half a quart that exhaust port was just caked with carbon

So do you have a "before" pic????

 

[Rounder]

I would stay the hell away from the super techniplate......Or as said, any castor.

I've always been really happy with the HP Ultra, I just run Amsoil because it costs me less, and seems to have all the same benefits of the Ultra (burns really clean, no noticable fumes).

 

[mdavlee]

The smell of ultra gave me a headache if there wasn't a breeze. I don't know why it doesn't smell that bad or strong. I don't mind the smell of the original techniplate but don't like the buildup. I've still got almost half a quart around here somewhere.

 

[zorak]

Is the lower the flash point of the oil better?

Here are the flash points Stihls 220c (432f)
amsoil dom-90c (194f)
amsoil sab-114c (237f)

 

[Fish]

So do you have a "before" pic????

Must be a "No"!!!

 

[Andyshine77]

Is the lower the flash point of the oil better?

Here are the flash points Stihls 220c (432f)
amsoil dom-90c (194f)
amsoil sab-114c (237f)

The flash point is only one thing to consider, but generally the higher the flash point the better the shear strength.

 

[Tzed250]

All my saws get .15% castor oil

 

[Fish]

Thought so........