Which Klotz?

[MEATSAW]

Would running K2 at 40:1 be alright?

Also someone mentioned mixing Stihl Ultra with h1r (or k2). Is mixing oils alright? How would you know what ratio to use?

 

[blsnelling]

Would running K2 at 40:1 be alright?

Also someone mentioned mixing Stihl Ultra with h1r (or k2). Is mixing oils alright? How would you know what ratio to use?

K2 burns quite clean even at 32:1. That's what I've been running for about a year. Not all oils mix well. I don't know the specifics of which will and which won't.

 

[Andyshine77]

Would running K2 at 40:1 be alright?

Also someone mentioned mixing Stihl Ultra with h1r (or k2). Is mixing oils alright? How would you know what ratio to use?

Most of the time mixing oils will work OK, but it's not something I would recommend and a few types of oils simply will not mix properly at all. Most of the newer esters have little in common with the first esters from the late 60's and 70's, not just the additives, but the base oil itself.

Like Brad said K2 will work great at 40:1 or 32:1, the same could be said for H1R based on BelRay's own recommendations.

 

[mdavlee]

I need to get a picture of the xpw piston. It's got a layer on it with around 10 tanks of klotz super techniplate or R 50. I can't remember which one he used.

 

[Andyshine77]

I need to get a picture of the xpw piston. It's got a layer on it with around 10 tanks of klotz super techniplate or R 50. I can't remember which one he used.

I've seen the very same, and it seems to be the only real negative with the Klotz oils I've ran. Everything else always looked great, but the piston crown always had buildup. Because of this I still recommend R50 as long as you pay attention to any excessive buildup.

 

[blsnelling]

I found the same. K2 does not seem to do this.

 

[mdavlee]

This 066 had only been run on bel ray so I'll keep peeking in there and see what it looks like in a few more tanks.

 

[Andyshine77]

I know it's mostly a sales pitch, but start paying attention at around 10 minutes into the video. Most if not all syn two cycle oils have ester base stocks.

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[deye223]

opcorn:

 

[oneoldbanjo]

Good post Banjo.

I'm sure you know this, but most of the time oil coming out the exhaust is a product of improper jetting, but not always. Silkolene PRO 2 SX is a good example of this. The dispersants used in the oil causes excess spooge in the exhaust. Yes spooge is a technical term.:biggrin: I ran Pro 2 for almost a year and experienced this first hand, I did like the oil overall however..

I am familiar with the term spooge.....it is used on the Trials Central website often as well as other terms that I have had to learn that come from overseas.....such as Tickover, Pinking, Wobbly and No Joy.

I believe my spooge problem was caused by me just being a beginner and I spent a lot of time at low revs and really didn't have any good areas to open the bike up occasionally and get the exhaust hot enough to burn out the oil in the exhaust. I have since switched to a 4 stroke trials motorcycle and we are getting along just fine!

 

[Andyshine77]

Trials motorcycle always had that issue with all the idling. A former employer of mine had the first 4 cycle Honda trials bike in the country. He was good friends with his Honda dealer, he bought all the parts for the bike and assembled them.

 

[dk27]

Most if not all syn two cycle oils have ester base stocks

say it ain't true
Amsoil 2 stroke oil is really an ester based oil
Who would have thought

 

[Andyshine77]

say it ain't true
Amsoil 2 stroke oil is really an ester based oil
Who would have thought

Just because an oil has ester base stocks in it, doesn't mean it has a high percentage of ester, but that's not necessarily good or bad.

 

[sachsmo]

 

[Miles86]

Liqui-Moly Racing bike oil additive:
Colloidal Moly solid

Liqui-Moly Racing Bike Oil Additive


Yes it IS designed for use in 2 strokes.

I mixed in some with my usual premix and all I will say is - it works. Throttle response is definitly better, and it was great to start with. It makes the engine feel like it will rev out forever. I thought I had an air leak at first.

A 4 oz. bottle will last a long time if your a non-pro.

 

[MEATSAW]

A quart of R50 showed up at my house today. After running my saws for about 1.5 hours I'm a real big fan of this stuff. If for nothing else the exhaust doesn't irritate me like previous oils have. I mixed it at 36:1 with sta-bil added.

 

[blsnelling]

R50 is great oil, but won't burn as clean as K2. I'm trying H1R right now.

 

[brown1]

H1r

R50 is great oil, but won't burn as clean as K2. I'm trying H1R right now.

Hey Brad,

Just wondering if you had any further thoughts on the H1R or the Motul 800 2T off road???

 

[mdavlee]

The h1r is the cleanest oil I've used to date. I tried some of the motul 710 and it was real clean also.

 

[Stumpys Customs]

The h1r is the cleanest oil I've used to date. I tried some of the motul 710 and it was real clean also.

Sweet. I tried Klots super techniplate & it left more deposites than I cared for. I'll have to give H1R a try.