661 Oil Test 32:1 vs 40:1 vs 50:1 ?

[Big_Wood]

The best 90's have ran where Yami, three cylinder. They would easily go five years with out so much as a plug change when ran commercially.

i'm liking the honda's but i am keeping it smaller as i don't need big. got a 14' musling with a 50 honda right now. i mostly chose the 50 honda in this application because of weight. the 50 yammy would near sink the musling! LOL we are also in completely different areas. your motors are obviously not seeing the ocean in michigan. around here the cooling system rots out and pumps water into the oil pan before the motor dies LOL not always though. seems the mercs really hold up to salt water abuse.

 

[Deleted member 83629]

You ain't gonna' let me forget that PITA... are ya??

Yeah... when I switched that to full synthetic I noticed the piston was really clean when I replaced it again... but it ain't made a difference on how long the piston lasts before the rings break. I'm still running full synthetic in it (Amsoil Interceptor) because for $9.90 per quart at the local fleet store it's the cheapest I can do unless I wanna' use some Pennzoil "yellow bottle" sludge... I don't use Pennzoil anything (but that's another story). I use Interceptor at 50:1... at 40:1 the muffler dripped a little oil on the shop floor.

The Harley golf car has a 250cc engine... I don't classify it as "small 2-stroke OPE".


I buy the bottles sized for 2½ gallons... if I remember correctly the last 6-pack was less than $15.00 at my local Stihl dealer (likely still have the receipt laying somewhere).
The little 1 gallon bottles are always the most expensive... in any brand.

Correction; I just checked... $11.75 for a 6-pack of 2½ gallon size bottles... and a 6-pack of the 1 gallon sized bottles is $7.45 (a single bottle is $1.25).
I'm not sure why it's so expensive where you're at jakewells??
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because he is only dealer for 30 miles and he is a crook

 

[Deleted member 83629]

Further to ship? It's more "exotic" where he's at?

Sorry but there's an awful lot of hype and hoopla about Amsoil up here.

yeah it is exotic alright and most people don't have teeth here because it is exotic haha.

 

[Whitespider]

Really poor value IMO.

How so??
I spend 78¢ on the oil for every gallon of fuel I mix... what do you spend on oil per gallon of fuel??
I buy a 6-pack of 6.4 oz bottles for 11.75, that works out to $9.79 per quart... what do you spend on a quart.
I don't haf'ta screw 'round with measuring; I pop the lid off the jug, pour it in the can, toss the jug, and fill the can with gas... done.
My stuff starts easy, runs good, and don't break... where's the poor value??
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[cuttinties]

I expected my saw to look how it did, running 50:1 lucas, not 32:1. I expected way more oil at that rich of a ratio. (32:1)

I guess I thought if it looks that bad at 32:1, I don't want to even think about 50:1 !!! (what Lucas recommended when I contacted them)

IMO it(my saw) should have had more oil...a lot more oil given I was at 32:1.


Is Lucas a bad oil? I dunno. I didn't like how it looked in my saw....even at 32:1.

Not saying it's garbage. Or it can't be used at 32:1. But come on if you've got to use it at 32:1 ratio to get just "ok" effects.

My bottom line is this thread is meant to find the best oil. I'm not saying it's H1R. We have to test a bunch to find out.

But IMO lucas isn't even close to the "best". I mean...heck, I'd bet money that 2R outperforms Lucas and 2R is the same price!

Have you tested anything mechanically? Or are you just pulling a muffler and giving an opinion? Do you think that I'd put my paycheck on an "ok" oil? I'm still waiting for you to do an evaporation test or actually take a cylinder off and look at what actually matters.

 

[cuttinties]

Mtronic is optimal tune right? So at optimal tune it did what it did.

Carb'd you can make it look better than it is.

Optimal epa tune.

 

[KenJax Tree]

Have you tested anything mechanically? Or are you just pulling a muffler and giving an opinion? Do you think that I'd put my paycheck on an "ok" oil? I'm still waiting for you to do an evaporation test or actually take a cylinder off and look at what actually matters.

If it doesn't say Bel Ray its not good enough

 

[cuttinties]

when it comes to the lucas oil next time actually touch the piston and exhaust port with your finger. the oil dries to a goo when the saw cools kinda like what winterizing oil does to an outboard or any other 2 stroke. i've ran and been into a few saws now that have ran it and there is always oil in the case. if you wanna see a film of oil on your piston fire it up and just run it for a few seconds then pull muffler off the check again. lucas does leave oil. not sure why it dries to a gooey film in the top end after a heat cycle but it would sure be good for saws that sit for long periods of time. after seeing what the crew's here run i have been alot less picky about the oil i run. like alot less. i've even been running a little of the budget **** off the shelf at gas stations. it's hard to give up 32:1 though but i have been contemplating switching to 50:1 as the falling crews run that and their saws last way longer then anyone would expect.

I've told him umpteen times to do an evaporation test but obviously that's too difficult. I've mentioned pulling the top end but that's not going to happen. So until he looks past the exhaust port he won't see any benefits of Lucas or other oils. It'll be a very opinion heavy "research"

 

[redbull660]

Have you tested anything mechanically? Or are you just pulling a muffler and giving an opinion? Do you think that I'd put my paycheck on an "ok" oil? I'm still waiting for you to do an evaporation test or actually take a cylinder off and look at what actually matters.

You quoted my posts and they address your questions. Sorry I poo poo'd your oil. But there are better options for the same price. I'm in search of the best oil. Not an oil that does the job. It looked fair at 32:1. It should of been wet at such a heavy ratio. The skirt was practically dry and I'm not the only one that reported this now.

 

[cuttinties]

You quoted my posts and they address your questions. Sorry I poo poo'd your oil. But there are better options for the same price. I'm in search of the best oil. Not an oil that does the job. It looked fair at 32:1. It should of been wet at such a heavy ratio. The skirt was practically dry and I'm not the only one that reported this now.

You haven't done an evaporation test. Nor have you pulled a cylinder. So once again you're giving nothing but opinions. Lucas tends to stick to the cylinder bore (you haven't shown one of those) more so than the piston. And no its not in mass quantities , but common sense would tell you this. If there's less on the piston and none in the muffler that must mean that the bottom end must be collecting oil? You have it in your head that the piston needs all of this oil. But I guess if that's the only place you look then that's all you have to judge your opinions off of. Your lack of ambition to actually get inside the saw and see what the oil is doing is pathetic. Don't offer to do a test if all you're doing is talking.

 

[bwalker]

How so??
I spend 78¢ on the oil for every gallon of fuel I mix... what do you spend on oil per gallon of fuel??
I buy a 6-pack of 6.4 oz bottles for 11.75, that works out to $9.79 per quart... what do you spend on a quart.
I don't haf'ta screw 'round with measuring; I pop the lid off the jug, pour it in the can, toss the jug, and fill the can with gas... done.
My stuff starts easy, runs good, and don't break... where's the poor value??
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I'm buying about the same amount of oil for only slightly less. But it's great oil, meeting the latest standards, not orange bottle sludge..

 

[bwalker]

If it doesn't say Bel Ray its no good enough

Which is pretty funny....

 

[redbull660]

You haven't done an evaporation test. Nor have you pulled a cylinder. So once again you're giving nothing but opinions. Lucas tends to stick to the cylinder bore (you haven't shown one of those) more so than the piston. And no its not in mass quantities , but common sense would tell you this. If there's less on the piston and none in the muffler that must mean that the bottom end must be collecting oil? You have it in your head that the piston needs all of this oil. But I guess if that's the only place you look then that's all you have to judge your opinions off of. Your lack of ambition to actually get inside the saw and see what the oil is doing is pathetic. Don't offer to do a test if all you're doing is talking.

Why don't you do an evaporation test. Why do I have to do all the testing here?

Saw ran better on 36:1 than 32:1 and 36:1 piston was even worse. Furthermore the saw ran even better than that on 45:1 h1r and the piston at least had oil on it. So once again I'm sorry I poo poo'd your oil. I didn't say it was garbage. I said there are obviously BETTER options.

And beyond that I don't understand why you'd run a cheap injector oil when you could buy a higher quality oil like yamalube 2r for the same price. wtf!

 

[RedFir Down]

It looked fair at 32:1. It should of been wet at such a heavy ratio.

And beyond that I don't understand why you'd run a cheap injector oil when you could buy a higher quality oil like yamalube 2r for the same price.

Redbull your starting to sound alot like walker now.

 

[cuttinties]

Why don't you do an evaporation test. Why do I have to do all the testing here?

Saw ran better on 36:1 than 32:1 and 36:1 piston was even worse. Furthermore the saw ran even better than that on 45:1 h1r and the piston at least had oil on it. So once again I'm sorry I poo poo'd your oil. I didn't say it was garbage. I said there are obviously BETTER options.

And beyond that I don't understand why you'd run a cheap injector oil when you could buy a higher quality oil like yamalube 2r for the same price. wtf!

How many ounces of oil did it take to mix lucas at 36:1?

 

[redbull660]

Redbull your starting to sound alot like walker now.

geez you guys think i'm totally biased towards H1R. Drives me insane.

and what I said is the truth. 2R vs Lucas. Give me a break. 2R is obviously a higher quality oil. I'm not saying 2r is the best...but it sure would beat lucas AND for the same price.

How many ounces of oil did it take to mix lucas at 36:1?

cuz I don't have a ratio right it's impossible to mix?

Here's the math...

75 ml of lucas x 36 = 2700ml of gas.

2700ml gas = .713 gal

 

[RedFir Down]

Do you have any underwear that dont creep up your ass?

 

[cuttinties]

geez you guys think i'm totally biased towards H1R. Drives me insane.

and what I said is the truth. 2R vs Lucas. Give me a break. 2R is obviously a higher quality oil. I'm not saying 2r is the best...but it sure would beat lucas AND for the same price.

Oh and if you didn't know I've already done my research. I probably burn more fuel in a month than most will in a year so it matters to me what I'm using. When I use an oil I don't use a q tip and look through the exhaust port. I take cylinders off the saw. I look in the case and at the bearings. Until you actually take the cylinder off the saw you have no idea of what the oils are doing. The more of your HR1 astroglide super dooper luber that's on the piston the less that's in the bearings. And if you believe that's a good thing then you're not well versed in the world of longevity in 2 strokes.

 

[redbull660]

Do you have an underwear that dont creep up your ass?

You guys are the ones with your panties all up in a bunch cuz I didn't like your oil. You sure aren't open minded about anything either.

All you've done is make excuses as to why there isn't oil on the piston skirt. Instead of well gee maybe he's on to something and maybe if we can buy other oils for the same price that are LIKELY higher quality...maybe we should give those a try and maybe they'll have oil in the bottom end and on the piston. Novel idea!

Oh and if you didn't know I've already done my research. I probably burn more fuel in a month than most will in a year so it matters to me what I'm using. When I use an oil I don't use a q tip and look through the exhaust port. I take cylinders off the saw. I look in the case and at the bearings. Until you actually take the cylinder off the saw you have no idea of what the oils are doing. The more of your HR1 astroglide super dooper luber that's on the piston the less that's in the bearings. And if you believe that's a good thing then you're not well versed in the world of longevity in 2 strokes.

so yer telling me after all this reserach... Lucas the cheap injector oil is the BEST you could find for your saws??!?!?!? omg

 

[cuttinties]

geez you guys think i'm totally biased towards H1R. Drives me insane.

and what I said is the truth. 2R vs Lucas. Give me a break. 2R is obviously a higher quality oil. I'm not saying 2r is the best...but it sure would beat lucas AND for the same price.



cuz I don't have a ratio right it's impossible to mix?

Here's the math...

75 ml of lucas x 36 = 2700ml of gas.

2700ml gas = .713 gal

The jug has mixtures on it. Why you would even think 36:1 would be different enough to make it worth the effort. Evaporation test is a lot less complicated and you haven't done it yet.