661 Oil Test 32:1 vs 40:1 vs 50:1 ?

[bwalker]

you description.

No and as it pertains to oil ratio the opposite is true.

 

[one.man.band]

load rpm friction efficiency.

 

[bwalker]

some truth. good grief.

Do I really have to spell everything out for you?

Here ya go. Basically...

all I did was provide more reasoning to run more oil.

I said additives were very important.

I said you get 56% less of the additives in the engine by running 50:1 vs 32:1. Point there is even if 50:1 is enough oil, your still getting less additives. That could be good or bad depending on the quality of said additives.

Think carefully about that..."even if 50:1 has enough oil, your still getting less of the additives."

I don't care what you take away from it as long as...

1. you don't say there is only 1-2 additive in 2t oil. Of course there is more than 1-2 additives in the oils we are using! I mean good grief that should go with out saying! It's like me saying the sky is blue and you argue that it's green just to argue....it's soo absurd it's mind boggling.

Look at the msds's http://www.arboristsite.com/communi...1-results-info-condensed.277566/#post-5305417

oil formulated = they are all basically like the following...

- base oils
- may or may not have solvents
- additive package.



I am giving reasons to run more oil and your arguing with me. I mean yes I know you don't like me. But good grief use your head...don't you realize you are making arguments hypocritical to your very own views on oil.

Your wrong in a few items. One being that really there are not more than a few additives in two stroke oil... Number two, I don't dislike you. And lastly it's the engine that dictates ratio and not additives.

 

[one.man.band]

No and as it pertains to oil ratio the opposite is true.

....go ahead.

 

[blsnelling]

Guys, it really is this simply. Pick the oil that you think smells best, or gives you the warmest fuzzies, mix it at whatever ratio lets you sleep at night (I'm not sure some here do), and go cut wood. The chances of you seeing an oil related failure are slim to none. Of course, if you're pushing the envelope with a built saw, I always advise to err on the side of caution and use a little more oil. It really is just that simply. 336 pages and this thread has proven virtually nothing. Only one oil has really been tested, so we can't even really draw conclusions on it. All this much ado about nothing blows my mind. I guess to each their own!

Hey @Andyshine77 , you got enough additives in your oil?

 

[bwalker]

....go ahead.

A high hp motor, large displacement motor with a higher sfc will often stress it's lubricant much less than a smaller motor with a lower sfc.

 

[one.man.band]

gotta get some zzz's. has anyone seen a bsfc graph? fuel consumption at vs. rpm at load is what it shows. curious to know what you are referring to b?

edit. spelling

 

[one.man.band]

A high hp motor, large displacement motor with a higher sfc will often stress it's lubricant much less than a smaller motor with a lower sfc.

......first off. hp has nothing to do with it.

larger motors have more cooling capability.

 

[redbull660]

Your wrong in a few items. One being that really there are not more than a few additives in two stroke oil... Number two, I don't dislike you. And lastly it's the engine that dictates ratio and not additives.

1. someone a whole smarter than you says there are more than a few. and even the websites say so as do the labels.

2. wasn't talking to you. even read the post?

3. I didn't even say that additives dictated ratio.

wtf

Guys, it really is this simply. Pick the oil that you think smells best, or gives you the warmest fuzzies, mix it at whatever ratio lets you sleep at night (I'm not sure some here do), and go cut wood. The chances of you seeing an oil related failure are slim to none. Of course, if you're pushing the envelope with a built saw, I always advise to err on the side of caution and use a little more oil. It really is just that simply. 336 pages and this thread has proven virtually nothing. Only one oil has really been tested, so we can't even really draw conclusions on it. All this much ado about nothing blows my mind. I guess to each their own!

Hey @Andyshine77 , you got enough additives in your oil?

brad if you just want to be a simpleton about it...then just quit wasting your time and leave.

 

[bwalker]

gotta get some zzz's. has anyone seen a bsfc graph? fuel consumption at vs. rpm at load is what it shows. curious to know what you are referring to b?

edit. spelling

Bsfc is a ratio of fuel consumption to output.

 

[bwalker]

......first off. hp has nothing to do with it.

larger motors have more cooling capability.

The BS part of BSFC is break specific HP.

 

[one.man.band]

some smaller motors have much larger bsfc than larger cc's. husq site lists g/kWh if you are interested. not always based on cc.

 

[bwalker]

1. someone a whole smarter than you says there are more than a few. and even the websites say so as do the labels.

2. wasn't talking to you. even read the post?

3. I didn't even say that additives dictated ratio.

wtf



brad if you just want to be a simpleton about it...then just quit wasting your time and leave.

1. I posted test data and Andrew is wrong. 2. I could care less, this is an open forum.
3.Yes, you actually did.

 

[one.man.band]

all the bsfc graphs that i have seen are torque based. never encountered a hp based one so far. like to see one.

 

[bwalker]

......first off. hp has nothing to do with it.

larger motors have more cooling capability.

I never said it's an absolute, I said "often". Strato charging throws a wrench in things for instance, as do different engine designs, like diesels, four strokes, etc.

 

[bwalker]

all the bsfc graphs that i have seen are torque based. never encountered a hp based one so far. like to see one.

A better word to use would have been output. My bad. Although HP= Torque × RPM÷5252.

 

[redbull660]

1. I posted test data and Andrew is wrong. 2. I could care less, this is an open forum.
3.Yes, you actually did.

1. No, you are dead wrong. End of story. You are "completely uninformed."
2. well it has nothing to do with you. There is no reason for you to respond. Yet you want to argue with everyone, so I understand why you did.
3. No, actually I did not.

 

[bwalker]

1. No, you are dead wrong. End of story. You are "completely uninformed."
2. well it has nothing to do with you. There is no reason for you to respond. Yet you want to argue with everyone, so I understand why you did.
3. No, actually I did not.

Your so called scientist is the one not informed and you do not know enough o know the differance.
Again this is a public board and misinformation being diseminated by you does no one any good.
And actually you did..
One thing is apparent. After 336 pages you have not gained even a slight understanding of the subject. Bravo!

 

[redbull660]

Your so called scientist is the one not informed and you do not know enough o know the differance.
Again this is a public board and misinformation being diseminated by you does no one any good.
And actually you did..

yeah well he actually formulates oil for a living. Your just good with your debate skillz and searching google.
the only misinformation is coming from you.
and no I did not.

furthermore what your saying completely contradicts your love for k2 and 2r. It's so false it's absurd. I mean you've really reached an all time low with this one. I dunno maybe the time you told me to run 16:1 (or was it 8:1..and yeah you were dead serious!) in my 660 and expect more power... hmm.

bottom line - I said more additives was a GOOD THING. I'm saying it's GOOD to run more oil for the lube and the additives. k2 and 2r both have a bunch of them...which is GOOD. But as usual you just want to argue with someone and so your contradicting your own views now just for the sake of you gotta be right and argue argue argue. I'm saying it's good and your saying no they don't have additives or only 1 or 2 and and they don't even matter. LOL

Bwalker - king of debate. Be warned!!! You will lose even if your right!

 

[Stihlman441]

I've found different saws run better on different oils at different ratios.

Where do I go from here?

Um
Pick one of the fully synthetics you like the smell of and run it at 40 : 1
Done