661 Oil Test 32:1 vs 40:1 vs 50:1 ?

[KG441c]

It says tested up to 100 to 1 ,in a string trimmer am sure would be fine ,in my saw will be 32 to 1 milling ,i will test 40 to 1 also see if good enough and runs any different . i had a malfunction at 50 to 1 once in a high compression saw ,will not use that ratio in a hopped up one anymore .Stock i would not worry about 50 to 1 though .I have steered away from this brand for years because of the 100 to 1 bs ,a few timber fallers have been running it 50 to 1 around here i talked to ,and like it better than the stihl ultra .

Used it a good bit. No problems. I use to race it in my ported Mercury 260hp Pro max drag motor

 

[Deleted member 83629]

loggers here run amsoil at 64:1 in there saws and they say it works fine, i sure wont do it.

 

[Deleted member 83629]

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Used it a good bit. No problems. I use to race it at 32to1 in my ported Mercury 260hp Pro max drag motor

how did you like the belray mineral 2T Keith?

 

[svk]

I have steered away from this brand for years because of the 100 to 1 bs

I don't live too far from where these guys are headquartered and let me tell you, some of the guys up here think they absolutely walk on water. Like if you took the awesomeness of a 362C-M and distilled it by 1000 times you might be approaching the awesomeness of their products. I just shake my head. I used their automotive oil and my mileage actually went down. Their 2 stroke oil worked fine but I mixed it at my normal ratios.

 

[KG441c]

When

how did you like the belray mineral 2T Keith?

I bought the h1r they sent it first by mistake but told me to keep it. Ran it in my blower and weedeater with 0 issues but its like 700t motul in being an injection oil

 

[bwalker]

loggers here run amsoil at 64:1 in there saws and they say it works fine, i sure wont do it.

I find amsoil is good for keeping the dust down on a gravel driveway.... however, I might run Dominator if I had to..

 

[bwalker]

I don't live too far from where these guys are headquartered and let me tell you, some of the guys up here think they absolutely walk on water. Like if you took the awesomeness of a 362C-M and distilled it by 1000 times you might be approaching the awesomeness of their products. I just shake my head. I used their automotive oil and my mileage actually went down. Their 2 stroke oil worked fine but I mixed it at my normal ratios.

If anyone thinks small companies like Amsoil, Lubegard and the like are going to come out with a cutting edge product your nuts. The majors have all the cutting edge additives and base oils tied up, because they are the ones that invent and develop them. Small blenders don't have access to these proprietary things until the patents run out. By which time they aren't so cutting edge. It's just a matter of dollars and cents.

 

[Trx250r180]

I find amsoil is good for keeping the dust down on a gravel driveway.... however, I might run Dominator if I had to..

If you were mixing oil for just power equipment ,and not your bike also sharing the same fuel ,would your opinions differ at all ? I myself would not run stihl mix or the amsoil rated for saws with pump gas in my race 250r i had with around 50hp ,i would mix maxima 927 for it with vp fuel ,where my little saws seems like the bike oil is not needed with a 7-8 hp unit ? Thoughts ?

 

[mdavlee]

I believe it was Redbull's piston.

Maulhead

 

[Moparmyway]

Maulhead

Now that rings a bell !!!
Thanks mdavlee !!!

 

[bwalker]

If you were mixing oil for just power equipment ,and not your bike also sharing the same fuel ,would your opinions differ at all ? I myself would not run stihl mix or the amsoil rated for saws with pump gas in my race 250r i had with around 50hp ,i would mix maxima 927 for it with vp fuel ,where my little saws seems like the bike oil is not needed with a 7-8 hp unit ? Thoughts ?

No, not really. I have never been keen on the Amsoil company or their products. I will give credit where do and say their two cycle oils have gotten better over time.

 

[Bwildered]

My ported saws deserve better than a soot producing oil @ 50:1
The poor little darlings! LOL

At least it isnt boat oil

I'm sure it's been used as one at some time or even as I speak.
Ta

 

[Bwildered]

Its the wrong kind of soft sooty carbon though that plugs things up though

That's not what I have seen with my own eyes, one of my associates who is full time logger & sawmiller & has used stihl HP at 50:1 in all his saws with ordinary 91 octane unleaded fuel, we will sometimes do a job together, I have checked out the exhaust colour & screens on his saws, there is vertualy no difference between our saws in the exhaust colour & the lack of buildup. Maybe you fellows use a exotic fuel which may give a different outcome & adds a unknown variable

 

[Bwildered]

Has anyone else tried the sabre with all the chainsaw brands listed on the bottle before i mix some up ? None of the oils being talked about have chainsaw brands on the bottle .
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One would think they have tested to destruction their oils in those brands to make their ratio claims, in the grand scheme it's not very expensive, could it be marketing BS? that would be very very doubtful these days considering the penaltys involved. VW have just found out the hard way with penaltys in the billions, check for label claims in the next year for the fiddled claims.

 

[Bwildered]

The pictures in those tests and the ones other OPE companies use are marketing bs IMO.
The picture of Redbulls piston was after very few hours and it already looked like that.

And you yourself said that its normal to have carbon buildup on the piston crown & criticised the richness of mixes if a piston was clean, your giving hypocritical answers it seems.

 

[bwalker]

One would think they have tested to destruction their oils in those brands to make their ratio claims, in the grand scheme it's not very expensive, could it be marketing BS? that would be very very doubtful these days considering the penaltys involved. VW have just found out the hard way with penaltys in the billions, check for label claims in the next year for the fiddled claims.

The vw thing is totaly different. What VW did was use computer tricks to circumvent emmissions laws. Amsoil isn't stupid. In their fine print they always say something like "can be run at 100:1 if suggested by OEM". That's not verbatum, but there is always a qualifier.
I also doubt they have done much, if any testing in all the applications they list in the marketing. I have driven by the Amsoil building in superior and it's basicly a warehouse and packaging facility. It would appear they don't make anything themselves, just purchase from vendors.

 

[bwalker]

And you yourself said that its normal to have carbon buildup on the piston crown & criticised the richness of mixes if a piston was clean, your giving hypocritical answers it seems.

It is normal to have carbon on a piston, but the piston in question was ran for only a few tanks of gas. That level of carbon is very bad for that amount of run time. The mixture does look about perfect on that piston!
Btw I suspect the test for the Ultra marketing campaign was run at wide open throttle for the duration. A test like this very much favors a ashless oil like ultra. You can literally see the calcium/magnesium/zinc deposits on the pistons that were ran on the other stihl oils. Realistic conditions would make the test look much different.

 

[Bwildered]

The vw thing is totaly different. What VW did was use computer tricks to circumvent emmissions laws. Amsoil isn't stupid. In their fine print they always say something like "can be run at 100:1 if suggested by OEM". That's not verbatum, but there is always a qualifier.
I also doubt they have done much, if any testing in all the applications they list in the marketing. I have driven by the Amsoil building in superior and it's basicly a warehouse and packaging facility. It would appear they don't make anything themselves, just purchase from vendors.

So what your saying is stihl & amsoil are complete liars & use deception to sell their oil products, please tell us more on how you can prove this besides driving past a warehouse & looking at some pictures?

 

[bwalker]

So what your saying is stihl & amsoil are complete liars & use deception to sell their products

They aren't lieing per se, but they are using deception that plays on people's ignorance.
Heck, Castrol, the maker of the two cycle oil you use marketed a car oil called syntec and advertised it as a synthetic. In reality it's just highly refined dino oil. If that's not deception, I don't know what is. Mobil actually took them to court on this and lost, which set in motion other oils companys, including Mobil to market highly refined dino oil as synthetic.

 

[Bwildered]

It is normal to have carbon on a piston, but the piston in question was ran for only a few tanks of gas. That level of carbon is very bad for that amount of run time. The mixture does look about perfect on that piston!
Btw I suspect the test for the Ultra marketing campaign was run at wide open throttle for the duration. A test like this very much favors a ashless oil like ultra. You can literally see the calcium/magnesium/zinc deposits on the pistons that were ran on the other stihl oils. Realistic conditions would make the test look much different.

One would think an intelligent company who isn't one dimensional would cycle conditions through the test & have many different ones including a 500hr WOT test to cover saws that do milling