661 Oil Test 32:1 vs 40:1 vs 50:1 ?

[porsche965]

"Lubegard has nowhere near the hype like Amsoil and many other lubricant manufacturers, they're not making outrageous claims like Amsoil like saying you can use a 100:1 or 80:1 ratio. In fact right on my bottles of LG it says the highest ratio it should be mixed at is 40:1. You'll find a lot of posts on numerous sites of people reporting engine seizures from using Amsoil Saber Pro."

I have a friend running three crews on Saber this year with no failures and states he will do close to $900,000 in tree service this year. I've seen records of his net close to 20% of gross sales in profit. All off of a "Driveway Oil" as quoted from someone on this thread.

Amazing running on a "driveway oil" like Saber isn't it? He is using a Stihl line of multiples 661c, 441c and 201tcm. I am just amazed after listening to this thread that this can be even possible but see it with my own eyes. Simply amazing lol

 

[bwalker]

"Lubegard has nowhere near the hype like Amsoil and many other lubricant manufacturers, they're not making outrageous claims like Amsoil like saying you can use a 100:1 or 80:1 ratio. In fact right on my bottles of LG it says the highest ratio it should be mixed at is 40:1. You'll find a lot of posts on numerous sites of people reporting engine seizures from using Amsoil Saber Pro."

I have a friend running three crews on Saber this year with no failures and states he will do close to $900,000 in tree service this year. I've seen records of his net close to 20% of gross sales in profit. All off of a "Driveway Oil" as quoted from someone on this thread.

Amazing running on a "driveway oil" like Saber isn't it? He is using a Stihl line of multiples 661c, 441c and 201tcm. I am just amazed after listening to this thread that this can be even possible but see it with my own eyes. Simply amazing lol

Sounds like he's having good luck with it..

 

[KG441c]

Like I said I have used it in high strung race outboards with no problems. Amsoil is a good oil

 

[Bwildered]

Sounds like he's having good luck with it..

and what bad experiences have you had with it in your chainsaws that gives you the right to slag it off?

 

[bwalker]

and what bad experiences have you had with it in your chainsaws that gives you the right to slag it off?

My chainsaw expiereances are only good.

 

[blsnelling]

IMHO, Amsoil makes fantastic lubricants, some of the very best. I have used their oils, studied VOAs and UOAs, and even had a UOA done on 10W-30 with 10,000 miles on it and was still good to go. I have no reason to doubt the quality of their products. I hate their marketing as well, but that has nothing to do with their product quality.

 

[bwalker]

My ***** with them is mostly due to their marketing and the so called "dealers" that sell the stuff.
Years ago they used the three ball wear test to hawk two cycle oils, which is a test relevant to gear oils and completely not relevant to two cycles. They also made all kinds of claims in regards to meeting conflicting standards etc. I'd rather not give my dollars to a company that uses such a marketing scheme.
I get the same feeling from Lubegard. Sounds like a lot of " baffle em with bull shat" to me.

 

[bwalker]

10k OCI isn't that long with today's oils. I am running my Toyota Tacoma to 15k using Mobil 1 EL. And I also used UOA to determine if this interval was doable.

 

[porsche965]

I used Mobil 1 on the track in an air cooled engine to boot (which I'd be willing to bet none of you have ever done, but prove me wrong that you have lol) and it couldn't compare with the lab results from Amsoil. Not selling, just saying. And those were $45,000 engines, not a $1000 chainsaw lol.

Hey, if it's working what your using don't stop, but don't knock what you haven't sent oil samples in on or experienced in great length in the real world.

Stay safe.

 

[porsche965]

I pay no attention to what the lemmings do, as in marketing. Only facts and actual experience. I could care less how a company markets their products. So if marketing is so important to a person in a decision on a product that's pretty shallow wouldn't you say?

I believe nothing that I read or am told lol. That's what makes me an outlier. And also retired at 37 years old. Long time ago.

Don't trust any marketing, use products in your own real world experiences and press the limits to the edge of failure. Feel the fate and learn just how to hedge to the edge of disaster. This is a full life. Gain your own confidence through your own successes and the failures will never happen, or in a very low number that is meaningless.

 

[bwalker]

I pay no attention to what the lemmings do, as in marketing. Only facts and actual experience. I could care less how a company markets their products. So if marketing is so important to a person in a decision on a product that's pretty shallow wouldn't you say?

I believe nothing that I read or am told lol. That's what makes me an outlier. And also retired at 37 years old. Long time ago.

Don't trust any marketing, use products in your own real world experiences and press the limits to the edge of failure. Feel the fate and learn just how to hedge to the edge of disaster. This is a full life. Gain your own confidence through your own successes and the failures will never happen, or in a very low number that is meaningless.

I would say it raises a flag when deception is used.

 

[porsche965]

Define deception.

 

[bwalker]

I used Mobil 1 on the track in an air cooled engine to boot (which I'd be willing to bet none of you have ever done, but prove me wrong that you have lol) and it couldn't compare with the lab results from Amsoil. Not selling, just saying. And those were $45,000 engines, not a $1000 chainsaw lol.

Hey, if it's working what your using don't stop, but don't knock what you haven't sent oil samples in on or experienced in great length in the real world.

Stay safe.

What sort of engine are we talking about? A guy I know from another site had a turbo charged drag bike that I believe was aircooled and about the only thing it could live on was mobil delvac 1.

 

[bwalker]

Define deception.

Using a test ment for gear oil to show their two cycle oil was superior to competitiors. Listing standards in their marketing that they have not been certified to, but inferring they are. For starters.

 

[porsche965]

930 turbo Air Cooled Porsche engine. The crank alone is over $8500. My friend runs a Busa sport bike documented at 540HP on a dyno to the rear wheel with a Mits turbo. I know HP and success Bwalker.

 

[porsche965]

You are entering an arena you have absolutely no experience in. Be careful.

 

[porsche965]

This is a thread usable for chainsaw guys. Are there gear cases on chainsaws I haven't found yet? lol

You better stick with talking trash to chainsaw guys Bwalker. Those that can be fooled. Or I'll call you out with plane tickets and $ to see just what you actually know and can do And not.

 

[bwalker]

I pay no attention to what the lemmings do, as in marketing. Only facts and actual experience. I could care less how a company markets their products. So if marketing is so important to a person in a decision on a product that's pretty shallow wouldn't you say?

I believe nothing that I read or am told lol. That's what makes me an outlier. And also retired at 37 years old. Long time ago.

Don't trust any marketing, use products in your own real world experiences and press the limits to the edge of failure. Feel the fate and learn just how to hedge to the edge of disaster. This is a full life. Gain your own confidence through your own successes and the failures will never happen, or in a very low number that is meaningless.

Btw, you have thrown out the retired by 37 thing a few times. May I ask what your profession was? Good on you BTW.

 

[porsche965]

Bwalker, stick to your poor testing of a 50cc chainsaw video and thread that you posted. That is more your speed.

 

[bwalker]

This is a thread usable for chainsaw guys. Are there gear cases on chainsaws I haven't found yet? lol

You better stick with talking trash to chainsaw guys Bwalker. Those that can be fooled. Or I'll call you out with plane tickets and $ to see just what you actually know and can do And not.

What I am saying is they used the falex test to sell oils that were not gear oils.. and that's my point. There are not gear cases that run on two cycle oil.