661 Oil Test 32:1 vs 40:1 vs 50:1 ?

[Bwildered]

They aren't lieing per se, but they are using deception that plays on people's ignorance.
Heck, Castrol, the maker of the two cycle oil you use marketed a car oil called syntec and advertised it as a synthetic. In reality it's just highly refined dino oil. If that's not deception, I don't know what is. Mobil actually took them to court on this and lost, which set in motion other oils companys, including Mobil to market highly refined dino oil as synthetic.

So you can't prove anything by driving past a warehouse & looking at some pictures then?

 

[mdavlee]

Fuel does seem to make a big difference in the deposits left. A soaking wet piston is idling a lot of the tune is too rich.

 

[bwalker]

So you can't prove anything by driving past a warehouse & looking at some pictures then?

I can tell by the size and the lay out that they sure aren't refining oil there... and I can read the qualifiers on the bottle/ tech sheets.

 

[bwalker]

One would think an intelligent company who isn't one dimensional would cycle conditions through the test & have many different ones including a 500hr WOT test to cover saws that do milling

500 hours wide open doesn't simulate milling.. it simulates running 500 hours wide open.

 

[Ron660]

Fuel does seem to make a big difference in the deposits left. A soaking wet piston is idling a lot of the tune is too rich.

I'm currently running my 036 and 021 on 93 non-E and my 660 on 110 octane to see if there's a significant difference of piston crown buildup. Both are mixed 32:1 using 800 off-road.

 

[bwalker]

I'm currently running my 036 and 021 on 93 non-E and my 660 on 110 octane to see if there's a significant difference of piston crown buildup. Both are mixed 32:1 using 800 off-road.

The way gasoline is handled, IE pumped via pipeline back to back with diesel fuel and god knows what else fuel quality is an issue that can cause deposits and other issues. Ethanol stacked on top of this is another factor.

 

[Ron660]

The way gasoline is handled, IE pumped via pipeline back to back with diesel fuel and god knows what else fuel quality is an issue that can cause deposits and other issues. Ethanol stacked on top of this is another factor.

The 93 non-E is from a dispenser coming from a typical underground storage tank at a gas station. The Sunoco 110 is in a sealed drum.

 

[Ron660]

036 side pic of piston I took today. I heard something rattling around inside the muffler......muffler screw came loose.

 

[bwalker]

The 93 non-E is from a dispenser coming from a typical underground storage tank at a gas station. The Sunoco 110 is in a sealed drum.

Storage is less of an issue than pipelines I believe.

 

[Bwildered]

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So you can't prove anything by driving past a warehouse & looking at some pictures then?

I can tell by the size and the lay out that they sure aren't refining oil there... and I can read the qualifiers on the bottle/ tech sheets.

I didnt think you could! But does that mean you now have super powers to see inside buildings with X-ray vision and have company knowledge to know what operations are done at what locations or what components are outsourced like many manufacturers commonly do, ( I used to work with German fellow who used to make windscreen wiper arms for BMW in a small shed in a small German village ) seems unbelievable to me when you think about it.

 

[Bwildered]

500 hours wide open doesn't simulate milling.. it simulates running 500 hours wide open.

Your right, it probably doesn't, milling wouldn't be as arduous as the test.

 

[Bwildered]

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036 side pic of piston I took today. I heard something rattling around inside the muffler......muffler screw came loose.

It was just trying to escape that oily black hole of Calcutta. LOL
Fankgst

 

[Ron660]

It was just trying to escape that oily black hole of Calcutta. LOL
Fankgst

It was very rich last time I used it cutting pecan limbs. I tuned it today.

 

[Ilmater]

If anyone thinks small companies like Amsoil, Lubegard and the like are going to come out with a cutting edge product your nuts. The majors have all the cutting edge additives and base oils tied up, because they are the ones that invent and develop them. Small blenders don't have access to these proprietary things until the patents run out. By which time they aren't so cutting edge. It's just a matter of dollars and cents.

Lubegard's ester is patented: https://www.google.com/patents/US5282989

It works extremely well. My equipment idles better on Lubegard than Mobil 1 racing, and I get zero exhaust spooge with Lubegard as opposed to M1R at the same ratio. RPM's and throttle response is at least as good with Lubegard vs M1 racing 2t. Go buy a bottle and try it for yourself. I'm considering sending one or more people here a quart for free if they agree to do extensive testing and report their results, just to prove a JASO FC/FD, premix only oil is irrelevant with respect to this product and could quite possibly perform worse than it. They don't care about getting it certified because as far as they are concerned, they manufactured a product in what they consider a niche market anyways, because they, like Mobil 1 back in 2007, know that 2 stroke is a dying market because of environmental bs. EPA would really like to ban 2 strokes nationwide if they could get away with it.

Lubegard has nowhere near the hype like Amsoil and many other lubricant manufacturers, they're not making outrageous claims like Amsoil like saying you can use a 100:1 or 80:1 ratio. In fact right on my bottles of LG it says the highest ratio it should be mixed at is 40:1. You'll find a lot of posts on numerous sites of people reporting engine seizures from using Amsoil Saber Pro.

 

[Andyshine77]

I find amsoil is good for keeping the dust down on a gravel driveway..

You've sad the exact same thing about klotz ST, but you now say you run it in certain circumstances. At this point it's clear you have little interest in anything other than hearing your own voice. IMHO.

Run the oils I've recommended and move on for the love of God.

 

[bwalker]

You've sad the exact same thing about klotz ST, but you now say you run it in certain circumstances. At this point it's clear you have little interest in anything other than hearing your own voice. IMHO.

Run the oils I've recommended and move on for the love of God.

You have a poor memory. I said all along that I run Super techniplate at certain times....specifically for dune riding in my bike. I am not a fan of R50, but it appears to work well for you judging by your pics.

 

[bwalker]

Lubegard's ester is patented: https://www.google.com/patents/US5282989

It works extremely well. My equipment idles better on Lubegard than Mobil 1 racing, and I get zero exhaust spooge with Lubegard as opposed to M1R at the same ratio. RPM's and throttle response is at least as good with Lubegard vs M1 racing 2t. Go buy a bottle and try it for yourself. I'm considering sending one or more people here a quart for free if they agree to do extensive testing and report their results, just to prove a JASO FC/FD, premix only oil is irrelevant with respect to this product and could quite possibly perform worse than it. They don't care about getting it certified because as far as they are concerned, they manufactured a product in what they consider a niche market anyways, because they, like Mobil 1 back in 2007, know that 2 stroke is a dying market because of environmental bs. EPA would really like to ban 2 strokes nationwide if they could get away with it.

Lubegard has nowhere near the hype like Amsoil and many other lubricant manufacturers, they're not making outrageous claims like Amsoil like saying you can use a 100:1 or 80:1 ratio. In fact right on my bottles of LG it says the highest ratio it should be mixed at is 40:1. You'll find a lot of posts on numerous sites of people reporting engine seizures from using Amsoil Saber Pro.

Lubegard's website is high on hype and low on info. That doesn't give me the warm and fuzzees.
From reading the patent it appears it's for a gear oil additive.

 

[bwalker]

You've sad the exact same thing about klotz ST, but you now say you run it in certain circumstances. At this point it's clear you have little interest in anything other than hearing your own voice. IMHO.

Run the oils I've recommended and move on for the love of God.

And in case you wondering why I do run ST. It's because there is no replacement for castor in very high stress situations. Of the castor blends I have found that ST burns acceptably clean for what it is when you load it hard enough and long enough.
ST in a saw is a disaster and extremely dirty.

 

[Andyshine77]

And in case you wondering why I do run ST. It's because there is no replacement for castor in very high stress situations. Of the castor blends I have found that ST burns acceptably clean for what it is when you load it hard enough and long enough.
ST in a saw is a disaster and extremely dirty.

Not really, and I and most others know the reason. I was referring to a post you made in a thread when you were arguing with Ralph Bragleytree I believe his name was.

 

[bwalker]

Not really, and I and most others know the reason. I was referring to a post you made in a thread when you were arguing with Ralph Bragleytree I believe his name was.

I usually reserve that comment for Amsoil only. Although it's no secret I am not really a fan of Klotz.
I may revaluate after seeing the piston pic you posted.